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<kryteshyft[eSG]>   At this point, Sol needs an exceptionally strong chairman and exceptionally strong cabinet to survive and regain its feet.
   <kryteshyft[eSG] >   It makes a lot of sense to create a new charter, if only for the sake of having a clean start.
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   As far as mechanics go, we need to make sure that the Chairman has enough power to be effective, but not so much that the member nations voices aren't counted
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   Sol is a body of nations, and the charter should definitely reflect that.
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   But without a strong chairman, we will never be run effectively, taken seriously, etc.
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   We need to get our military figured out
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   which will involve finding some /highly/ dedicated officers to run it as our biggest priority.
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   We'll need a lot of extremely dedicated people in the coming months, with a diverse set of skills,
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   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   generals for the military, legislators for the charter, administrators to... well, administrate, and writers to publicize
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   But We have such people here
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   and I have faith that we can succeed.
   <kryteshyft[eSG]>   Myung_Kei, I yield the floor.
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   <Myung_Kei>   thanks
   <Myung_Kei>   oh and we have a shoutout for the Sol Media Divison from AlbertN
   <Myung_Kei>   if anyone would like to be a part of it please contact him
   <Myung_Kei>   we need good writters and people who can spread the Sol message
   <Myung_Kei>   the link is as follows:
   <Myung_Kei>   http://www.solalliance.comxa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=711
   <Myung_Kei>   Next, Liquid Oxygen from eMalaysia
   <Myung_Kei>   the floor will now be yielded for 5 minutes
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   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   Thank you, Myung.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   Gentlemen of Sol, I'm coming to you as the only eMY representative here. Just to give you a clue about how serious a position Sol's in, there is an open proposal in congress right now about leaving it. I wouldn't be surprised if it moves to vote soon.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   The problems that have arisen have arisen due to attitudes, egos, and red tape. Sol in its current condition is absolutely entangled in it.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   Resolutions have the life choked from them. New ideas go inactive or are ignored.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   Debate has given way to outright fighting.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   I honor the Sol the was intended. The brotherhood of nations.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   True brotherhood, not just in theory, but in application.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   I'm here because I still hold out hope for this idea. Because this is absolutely crucial.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   I also salute everyone here for their contributions.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   We can do better.
   <Liquid_Oxygen[eMY]>   Thank you, Myung. I yield the floor.
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   <Myung_Kei>   sorry about that scare
   <Myung_Kei>   random firefox whatnot
   <Myung_Kei>   Kryte will have ops as well just incase I go blank
   <Myung_Kei>   since Jelly was supposed to have that roll
   <Myung_Kei>   >.>
   =-=   Mode #solconference +h kryteshyft[eSG] by Myung_Kei
   <Myung_Kei>   anyway, thanks LO
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   =-=   Mode #solconference +v Erius[Sing] by Myung_Kei
   <Myung_Kei>   Erius, you have the floor
   <Erius[Sing]>   thank you, Myung_Kei
   <Erius[Sing]>   Greetings, dear representatives of Sol nations and other quest`s
   <Erius[Sing]>   I runned for chairmanship some time ago
   <Erius[Sing]>   it has been almost a year since I was a Chairman of Sol
   <Erius[Sing]>   I wanted to run, because I knew, that there were things that should be fixed
   <Erius[Sing]>   Sol was dying - and I wanted to stop it
   <Erius[Sing]>   but before the elections I realized, that I could not do that
   <Erius[Sing]>   I`ve been minister of defense in SIngapore during this term and I`ve srewed up - yes, I hope that our singaporean representatives will notice this
   <Erius[Sing]>   I`ve been inactive and I would`ve not succeed to have a good term as a Chair
   <Erius[Sing]>   but that was not the only reason why I decided not to run
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   <Erius[Sing]>   the most important reason was lack of trust towards Sol
   <Erius[Sing]>   I saw people arguing with each
   <Erius[Sing]>   I saw people playing their own little roleplaying games
   <Erius[Sing]>   I saw inactive chairmans just idling and raising their ego
   <Erius[Sing]>   nothing happened
   <Erius[Sing]>   I was disappointed
   <Erius[Sing]>   I could`ve done something for our alliance - but not enough to change it
   <Erius[Sing]>   and - what a dishonour - decided to leave Sol to die
   <Erius[Sing]>   that was a mistake from me - and I really regret it
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   <Erius[Sing]>   but I know that there would not have been much to do by myself - even if some people say that I would`ve been a good Chair. One man, neather dozen, can change this alliance
   <Erius[Sing]>   if we want to change this alliance, we need all of us
   <Erius[Sing]>   nations have chosen inactive representatives to our forums
   <Erius[Sing]>   they have not done anything
   <Erius[Sing]>   this has to be changed
   <Erius[Sing]>   we need atleast one active representative from each country to negotiate with others
   <Erius[Sing]>   the other problem - in my mind - is roleplaying
   <Erius[Sing]>   Sol does not - neather it can - do anything else than arguing and playing to do something
   <Erius[Sing]>   some fixing of charter etc.
   <Erius[Sing]>   nothing else
   <Erius[Sing]>   we have to remember, why alliances are created
   <Myung_Kei>   Erius, I hate to rush you, wrap it up! :P
   <Erius[Sing]>   I`ll be done soon :)
   <Erius[Sing]>   military
   <Erius[Sing]>   that is the key point in all this
   <Erius[Sing]>   I know, our members are not strong, but what would be the other reason to join an alliance?
   <Erius[Sing]>   atm we`re just arguing - that does not encourage anyone to stay in our alliance
   <Erius[Sing]>   SolDiers has worked well, but it`s not enough
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   * Myung_Kei   looks at watch
   <Erius[Sing]>   there has be to be cooperation with member nations militaries
   <Erius[Sing]>   I will end my speech to this
   <Erius[Sing]>   I`ll might talk later if Myung just let me :P
   <Myung_Kei>   k
   <Erius[Sing]>   thanks
   <Myung_Kei>   we will have open debate later
   <Myung_Kei>   thanks Erius
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   <Myung_Kei>   Next is Niall-H from ePhilippines
   <Myung_Kei>   who would like to share a rant with us
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   <Myung_Kei>   this will be followed by TommyA and Prefect Knight
   <Myung_Kei>   take it away Niall
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   <Niall-H>   Time for the shit to go down ;)
   <Niall-H>   Ok, i'm that inactive representative
   <Niall-H>   Aye, i'll admit it
   <Niall-H>   but it's the cause of the whole atmosphere created by sol
   <Niall-H>   the main fact is
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   <Niall-H>   We can't patch a rotten structure
   <Niall-H>   as it will keep falling down
   <Niall-H>   We need to start with the foundations and lauch a whole new thing
   <Niall-H>   Before i came to the ePhilippines
   <Niall-H>   I though sol was a joke
   <Niall-H>   My judgement has changed tbh
   <Niall-H>   I went on the forums and many of the views were highlighted already
   <Niall-H>   What pains me the most is people, fighting over a crappy charter
   <Niall-H>   Instead of actually doing work
   <Niall-H>   A charter is a building stone not a bible
   <Niall-H>   No need to bum the charter on ever object, it meant to help not obstruct
   <Niall-H>   If we spent half the time we spent arguing about legislation actually doing something it could change
   <Niall-H>   Anyway, i got sidetracked
   <Niall-H>   sol, needs a media presence
   <Niall-H>   We see the others getting thrown round everywhere by citizens, ay we don't want to be entirely like them
   <Niall-H>   but we may take the best partys
   <Niall-H>   I wouldn't be surprised if half the citizens in our countries didn't know we were in Sol
   <Niall-H>   We need to show the world WE are somebody to be contended with
   <Niall-H>   We are something new
   <Niall-H>   We are great nations together
   <Niall-H>   This cannot be achieved under the "sol" mantle
   <Niall-H>   I know this can be done, the the right people can create a new alliance for the ashes
   <Niall-H>   And start anew
   <Niall-H>   Legislation will not be key this time round
   <Niall-H>   Anyway, i forgot what i was going to mention
   <Niall-H>   Scuse the ranting, it's my nature
   <Niall-H>   Thanks Myung_Kei
   <Myung_Kei>   your welcome
   <Myung_Kei>   :D
   <Niall-H>   Pm, me if you want to insult me
   <Niall-H>   ;)
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   <Myung_Kei>   Next is Tommy Aquinas
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   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Is it my turn yet? Is it my turn yet? I wanna go!
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Oh yay
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Right lads, I dont have much to say
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   I'm sure I've spoken to you all in pm by now and listened to what you have to say
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Reading over everything thats been said
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Its clear that people care for Sol
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   and that there is the will to do things right
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   and work together positively from now on
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Lets leave the past where it belongs, learn from our mistakes, and move on. I'd hope to see us only talking about the present, and the future, and not the past any longer.
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Also, its quite late here, so forgive me if I'm waffling :p
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   I have a proposal for a more simplified alliance, more organised, more military based, more media based
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   I'd be honoured if you took it under consideration, or even considered parts of it for what we want moving forward
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   I'm sure the thought is in many people's minds tonight about wiping and re-booting Sol as something better
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   So let's leave this meeting tonight with something constructuve to take back to our countries
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   I'm running for President in Singapore for the next month, but as far as I'm concerned, whatever happens with Sol or a new alliance, my main goal will be to build stronger relations with each of your nations
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   And to build our friendships, and our alliances.
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   *alliance
   <Myung_Kei>   Thanks Tommy
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   in whatever form it may take. Let's go get it done.
   <Myung_Kei>   :D
   <TommyAquinas{SG}>   Adios :p
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   <Myung_Kei>   And last (but certainly not least) is Perfect_Knight from eIsrael
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   <Perfect_Knight>   thank you
   <Perfect_Knight>   hello everyone
   <Perfect_Knight>   i am cp of eisrael for the past 2 months
   <Perfect_Knight>   and prior to that i was special envoy to sol
   <Perfect_Knight>   my interaction to sol was at first extraordinary
   <Perfect_Knight>   a small alliance with member countries that stand for neutrality
   <Perfect_Knight>   and keeping out of global conflict
   <Perfect_Knight>   i thought here eisrael would fine peace and support
   <Perfect_Knight>   i was very energetic and while i didn't knew my way around i began to work and solidify what i thought was the most important thing
   <Perfect_Knight>   i began working with at the the time commander of soldiers
   <Perfect_Knight>   on creating a useful and mobile military org
   <Perfect_Knight>   to help each nation in times of need
   <Perfect_Knight>   eisrael as you know is the clash ground for phx and eden ( greece vs turkey )
   <Perfect_Knight>   for many many monthes
   <Perfect_Knight>   and my fear and worry began to emerge
   <Perfect_Knight>   i saw that as many of the other people spoke before me, our power crumbled with the legistlation
   <Perfect_Knight>   and real efficiency didn't show promise at all
   <Perfect_Knight>   as president i vowed to support sol in any way i could
   <Perfect_Knight>   i sent my field marshals to be at Soldiers disposal
   <Perfect_Knight>   even going to more then that and creating secodry betalion
   <Perfect_Knight>   my main concern is this.
   <Perfect_Knight>   we as alliance
   <Perfect_Knight>   do not utilize ANY of the powers and tools we are given
   <Perfect_Knight>   as an collective
   <Perfect_Knight>   this has to be changed
   <Perfect_Knight>   and for that i believe strongly in tommy's idea
   <Perfect_Knight>   of a fresh simplified alliance
   <Perfect_Knight>   thank you all
   <Perfect_Knight>   eisrael will not abandon sol
   <Perfect_Knight>   i am done.

Its p tl;dr but its basicly a meeting of all the Sol countries worrying because Sol isnt working anymore. Anyone notice them when they were working?

No wonder they were desperate enough to propose us membership fortunately for us their membership fee wasn't cheap. lol

meh, next on the disband list: Entente


The stuff they mention here, is very similar to the problems entente is facing.

Lol... we should just create our own alliance or just stay out of any.

[quote="Manong Rizal" or just stay out of any.[/quote]

this

shadowukcs wrote:meh, next on the disband list: Entente


The stuff they mention here, is very similar to the problems entente is facing.

True but ENTENTE problems are also a little different. Can't say more, but we fight against disband =P

Xgentis Lempereur wrote:No wonder they were desperate enough to propose us membership fortunately for us their membership fee wasn't cheap. lol

He's not too concerned about making enemies is he? Look I like ENTENTE but I also respect (highly) the SOL alliance. They are like the young, ambitious teenager of the alliances. Yeah, they have problems. Yeah, they have some maturing to do. But really... They stood up to Phoenix and refused to let EDEN run the show in their countries. Maybe show a little respect eh?

Looks like there isn't really place for small alliances like SOL and Entente

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I think that's up to interpretation. On one hand, it would be a burden for a larger alliance like Phoenix or EDEN to keep MPPing us for protection if we were to join. Similar countries that fall into that category, Quite a few Entente countries and Sol countries, band together so that they are not completely without allies and support. In addition, it also gives them a name to stand under. That boosts morale and gives us a small boost in international relations.

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I think that's up to interpretation. On one hand, it would be a burden for a larger alliance like Phoenix or EDEN to keep MPPing us for protection if we were to join. Similar countries that fall into that category, Quite a few Entente countries and Sol countries, band together so that they are not completely without allies and support. In addition, it also gives them a name to stand under. That boosts morale and gives us a small HUGE boost in international relations.

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M.Leviathin wrote:^
I think that's up to interpretation. On one hand, it would be a burden for a larger alliance like Phoenix or EDEN to keep MPPing us for protection if we were to join. Similar countries that fall into that category, Quite a few Entente countries and Sol countries, band together so that they are not completely without allies and support. In addition, it also gives them a name to stand under. That boosts morale and gives us a small boost in international relations.

Fully agreed, we are just too small/weak/unimportant to be taken into serious account on equal foot by big players of the New World, so we almost pushed in the ranks of smaller/weaker/less important alliances to not stand totally alone. Plus, any attempt at making a multi-polar world (and not just PHOENIX vs. EDEN) is welcome.

'Small' alliances make big differences...