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Post by van Spijck on 2014-01-24, 00:18

I'm sorry our ambassador isn't doing his job. So here's the eNL government for Januari.

Country President: Trannsvaal
Vice President: M. de Ruyter

Minister of Defense; epix
Secretary of Defense; Thanatos the Magnificent

Ministerof Foreign Affairs; Giovanni 00 M. de Ruyter
Secretary of Foreign Affairs; WhiteTemplar / Aries Prime

Minister of Finance; Weekstrom
Secretary of Finance; Nictefa

Ministerof Home Affairs; odan
Secretary of Home Affairs; Tim Veltkamp

Ministers of Coaching; RDRDM / Armatis
Secretary of Coaching/Recruitment; Zeeuwsmeisje

Minister of X/S; Walhallah

Head of Dutch Intelligence & Ambassador Services; Arcanic Mindje / Marnix Maximus
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Fhaemita Malodorous on 2014-01-24, 01:04

van Spijck wrote:I'm sorry our ambassador isn't doing his job. So here's the eNL government for Januari.

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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Mr. Wonka on 2014-01-24, 01:25

Thank you Smile
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Konrad Neumann on 2014-01-30, 18:34

As per http://enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=11816&p=164950#p164950

I want an official explanation on why M. de Ruyter (van Spjick) spread and shoult/reshout Vincent Pain's article of discrediting the eBE government. Despite knowledge of the ties between M. de Ruyter and the PTOers, past ties were covert and under the table. I seek an explanation from the ambassador and the government to explain why their vice president and MoFA in their overt actions to discredit the Belgian government. This is not a simple ambassador thing which M. de Ruyter blown it out of proportion but now this is a clear and direct hostile act. This is now a clear collaboration between vS and the PTOers. I would like to know the nature of vS's ties with the PTOers and is this the new official eNL stance towards eBE?

I would also like to know what is eNL's stance on non-interference of other states and their stance in PTO's both in eBE's case and PTO's in general.
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Boklevski on 2014-01-31, 11:22

Re: Embassy of Belgium
by van Spijck » Fri 31 Jan 2014, 09:12

before this can escalate any further, I will close this embassy. I will get in contact with the parties involved via ingame pm.
Ah, we're at that point again. They remove our ambassador's post (censorship North-Korean style) and then are upset that eBE representatives don't like that.

Anyway, can we please disband all ties with eNL? It's costing us valuable energy that we can invest in something more useful, like aiming for world peace or... eemh... watching Teletubbie re-runs. (Anything is actually more useful...)

[EDIT: I don't know citizens like Brokenlove, Arcanic Mindje and Fosite... but we can renew and improve our ties with eNL again when people like them are in power.]
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Konrad Neumann on 2014-01-31, 19:47

Boklevski wrote:
Re: Embassy of Belgium
by van Spijck » Fri 31 Jan 2014, 09:12

before this can escalate any further, I will close this embassy. I will get in contact with the parties involved via ingame pm.
Ah, we're at that point again. They remove our ambassador's post (censorship North-Korean style) and then are upset that eBE representatives don't like that.

Anyway, can we please disband all ties with eNL? It's costing us valuable energy that we can invest in something more useful, like aiming for world peace or... eemh... watching Teletubbie re-runs. (Anything is actually more useful...)

[EDIT: I don't know citizens like Brokenlove, Arcanic Mindje and Fosite... but we can renew and improve our ties with eNL again when people like them are in power.]

Wow, I agree with Bok on something. vS is out of control and all I wrote a plea to move past this revenge politics and to build a more normal relationship via preventing this type of event from happening again.

I point out the fact that vS was the VP and MoFA and his words means a lot in eBE and when he shouts Valeyard's official article is a lie, many people in eNL might believe in it. This is manipulating eBE politics as we see some eNLers throwing their support to the PTOers etc. A VP and MoFA should not discredit the words of our president. I point out vS's only defense against Valeyard in Daniel Parker's article was his personal hatred of Valeyard. Therefore, I suggest we move beyond revenge politics and to respect the words of official articles despite who is in power etc.

It seems that is too much for van Spjick and merits censorship...
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by NLSP on 2014-01-31, 23:11

Boklevski wrote:
Re: Embassy of Belgium
by van Spijck » Fri 31 Jan 2014, 09:12

before this can escalate any further, I will close this embassy. I will get in contact with the parties involved via ingame pm.
Ah, we're at that point again. They remove our ambassador's post (censorship North-Korean style) and then are upset that eBE representatives don't like that.

Anyway, can we please disband all ties with eNL? It's costing us valuable energy that we can invest in something more useful, like aiming for world peace or... eemh... watching Teletubbie re-runs. (Anything is actually more useful...)

[EDIT: I don't know citizens like Brokenlove, Arcanic Mindje and Fosite... but we can renew and improve our ties with eNL again when people like them are in power.]
most funny is that the vS minions defend vS his shouts since there is "freedom of speech", however nobody is allowed to make any negative comment about vS ^^
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by van Spijck on 2014-02-01, 01:52

Dear people of eBelgium,

Sadly there is no truth in Konrad's words, but hey what else is new. I would like to bring under your attention the words of our President:

Dear Konrad,

I would like to ask you to keep matters like these out of the embassy. If you have a problem with a certain player/group of players, you can contact his/their superior, in this case that is me the CP. In that way, the case can be resolved peacefully without it escalating like it did yesterday/this morning.


Now since it already escalated over here, I think I should give a reaction on your request anyway.
There is a distinct difference between a personal statement and a statement from a representative. As I can see in Valeyards article, he clearly saying that it is a message from himself, so with that I can only conclude that you guys can agree with that.
It's not my style, but let me get something from the past over here underline that: When our treaty with Poland was getting in place, and we were RW-ing our regions back, you were ambassador. Back then you shouting in irc to fight for Poland in that fight and never, correct me if i'm wrong, took those words back. If I take that as an official statement, Belgium still likes to see us wiped. Now I don't think that is good for relations right? Or we can separate you and the ambassador function and see no problem, which I prefer.

If you or someone else is not satisfied with this reaction, please contact me personally and abstain from a reaction over here.
So after this post, I would like to see this embassy only used for what it's meant for: Exchanging information and building on relations. And only be used for problems as a last resort if the personal contact doesn't satisfy.

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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Konrad Neumann on 2014-02-01, 16:05

van Spijck wrote:Dear people of eBelgium,

Sadly there is no truth in Konrad's words, but hey what else is new. I would like to bring under your attention the words of our President:

Dear Konrad,

I would like to ask you to keep matters like these out of the embassy. If you have a problem with a certain player/group of players, you can contact his/their superior, in this case that is me the CP. In that way, the case can be resolved peacefully without it escalating like it did yesterday/this morning.


Now since it already escalated over here, I think I should give a reaction on your request anyway.
There is a distinct difference between a personal statement and a statement from a representative. As I can see in Valeyards article, he clearly saying that it is a message from himself, so with that I can only conclude that you guys can agree with that.
It's not my style, but let me get something from the past over here underline that: When our treaty with Poland was getting in place, and we were RW-ing our regions back, you were ambassador. Back then you shouting in irc to fight for Poland in that fight and never, correct me if i'm wrong, took those words back. If I take that as an official statement, Belgium still likes to see us wiped. Now I don't think that is good for relations right? Or we can separate you and the ambassador function and see no problem, which I prefer.

If you or someone else is not satisfied with this reaction, please contact me personally and abstain from a reaction over here.
So after this post, I would like to see this embassy only used for what it's meant for: Exchanging information and building on relations. And only be used for problems as a last resort if the personal contact doesn't satisfy.

Regards,
Trannsvaal

Really? I want to see logs where I shout and try to get people to fight as you claim. Now I see you are either manipulated by vS or you are drawing for straws to prop up your VP/ MoFA and to mess with eBE politics. So please show me your logs without photoshop etc of where I promote fighting against eNL. If I recall, TimVeltKamp, Tonie and others were there and they can vouch for me. And besides, I did less than 30k damage when the wall was like 56 percent pro eNL. So really, stop fishing and clearly state your intentions. Do you want to better relations or not.
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Walhallah on 2014-02-08, 19:35

I believe this is the old embassy?

Kindly confirm that this is and if possible close this one, in order to prevent confusion.

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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Boklevski on 2014-02-10, 09:52

This is actually the more fun one. This is were the whole vS & co. versus Konrad/Fhea/NLSP battle goes on.

[ And without the cynism: forumwise, it is indeed more logical to close or at least move this one. The other one is in the Embassies section, this one isn't... ]
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Fhaemita Malodorous on 2014-02-10, 10:46


or we can merge it

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Post by Walhallah on 2014-02-10, 20:20

Well, the decision is ofcourse up to my Belgian hosts.

however, I will not so much tolerate this discussion in 'my' embassy. I like to run a tidy place.
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Re: eNetherlands embassy

Post by Critically on 2014-02-10, 21:52

Okay, I'll close this Smile

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