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Post by boer jan on 2012-11-13, 23:51

Seems BNA supply's are still the point of discussion when they talk about budget.
Someone mentioned the word mercenary,and that draw my intention.
Does someone knows if there can be earned enough money to become self-sufficient or to give a part of the earnings to the MU?
It would be interesting if we could gather a group of soldiers that can do so, BNA gave us already so much, if we could do this in return it would be great and in the meantime some fun. Of course we would be limited to fight within the limits drawn by CoT.
If someone has idea's, guidelines or connections, I am all ears
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Re: fighting for money

Post by Cotarius on 2012-11-14, 06:17

Good idea boer jan and hope you get it done.
I propose the same by the start of the BNA.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by BrunoCND on 2012-11-14, 08:02

I'm totally for this idea.

But the problem is that we don't know how many soldiers are connected at that time.

Maybe should we do more DOF?
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Re: fighting for money

Post by boer jan on 2012-11-14, 09:02

think we could use the experience of the players who were member of the paras, they had a system to fight together.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by BrunoCND on 2012-11-14, 09:05

I think so
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Re: fighting for money

Post by Jofroi on 2012-11-14, 09:14

Problem with Mercenaries is that we might have to fight against our allies if you do it properly. If you want to find supplies for yourself, I'd advice you to check the #Mercenaries channel on IRC. But it can usually be decided at the time of the war, not before.

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Re: fighting for money

Post by NLSP on 2012-11-14, 10:02

boer jan wrote:think we could use the experience of the players who were member of the paras, they had a system to fight together.
we had to connect daily at a fixed time on IRC to fight together. While for many that worked, that hour was for others sometime difficult. We also saw that some never came to IRC and just waited for a pm where to fight (and complain afterwards about the chosen battle)
That system is rather inflexible, especially for earning extra supplies. If we with the BNA want to be a force for rent (maybe with certain fights excluded), the necessary act would be that all BNA soldiers are almost always connected with IRC and keep their hits during most of the day on maximum. I personally don't see the BNA go in that direction.
With being a force for sale, the BNA would also fight less in designated CoT-battles, seriously reducing the goodwill from our allies.
I think that IF there are no CoT-battles, the best would be to allow individual BNA members, on an individual base, fight as a merc (bot not against CoT), the guns they receive they can use (if they need more guns then the BNA supplies) or can donate towards the BNA. Maybe the soldiers that see in shouts that there are supplied CoT-battles, should get the reflex to post this in the BNA-shout. This would imho battles that eBe always can fight in Smile
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Re: fighting for money

Post by boer jan on 2012-11-14, 10:17

I thought about volunteers in BNA, so not the whole BNA Cool, especilly those who can afford to go a bit further than the supply's offer, and who are ready to give back something if the gain is important enough.
I know that communication is the main thing in such a case and there we should look really how and what, for the fights we must have some connection with CoT and CoTmembers
on IRC I did not find #Mercenaries anymore
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Re: fighting for money

Post by Jofroi on 2012-11-14, 11:43

#Mercenaries is still open ^^. Usually 450-600 persons connected.

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Re: fighting for money

Post by JdlF on 2012-11-14, 23:04

Hi, i think that fighting for money is great but i can't see all BNA members react as quickly as needed. Maybe with some of external website coupled wih irc or so; but it won't happen.

What if supplies for BNA were cut to just permit 25 strikes/day and let it be more if needed.

To be honest, in my case, i only need my DOf to progress and to keep myself active. Which leads to only 21 Q7 / week more the food (yeah, we need food :p).

Which is still less than 70 Q6 like it is nowadays for div2. U could also give Q6 instead of Q7 (but more) as it's less expensive/strike. Therefore a soldier would only cost something like 30 bef for weapon and I would supply for 50 BEF/day on food (1000); so let say at max: 100 bef/day ==> 3000 BEF / month; 32 soldiers ==> +-100 000 BEF / month.

More DOF and over supplies if needed, but i guess the congress would be more ease with "ponctual costs" if they are motivated by COT or needed by eBe. Moreover the fact fighting for some countries could lead to supplies arrangements between MUs. (i don't know anything about foreign politic Very Happy).

Just keep in mind: 25/strikes a day. No need for more... If not needed.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by boer jan on 2012-11-15, 00:09

you have to change BNA-law then, because there is a minimum to stay member and that is far above 25 strikes
think you mean 25 kills, and how do you know what you need to get that?
If I look what I do, then I need max 13 Q7 to accomplish my DO that means that I should get 98 Q7 every 7 days?
But even that should make me very unhappy, this means no medals anymore, so no gold, no gold is no training, this way after 1 week you have almost no more costs for BNA cause there will be no more soldiers.
never the less nice to see that you are concerned and tries to find some solution, do not forget the higher you rank the more difficult it is to kill, that is why you need so much, to be stronger when you merge in a higher division.

the idea of fighting for money would be only for volunteers who have the power and the reserves to do so, and indeed it needs planning and communication, that is why I try to find some people with experience in the matter.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by JdlF on 2012-11-15, 00:22

Just! I forgot that the use of guns was higher than one / kill :/
My bad; then the idea is not doable you are right.

Humm, let them spend hous aguiing and just say: don't turn supplies down ^^.There's still plenty of reserves.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by boer jan on 2012-11-15, 00:33

think we have scarified already a lot.
besides that if we hold on the strict minimum than there is always the possibility that CoT says "stop, you are not a partner with value any more"
after-all this is a war game, all the other modules are not let's say "up to date"anymore
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Re: fighting for money

Post by SX80 on 2012-11-15, 08:41

For CoT we are already at the bottom of the list if you look at our damages. If I was CoT it wouldn't be worth it to spend money on MPP's to keep eBe in the alliance.

For BNA I would love to have more supplies, or keep the current level, but it cannot be justified with the income we're having. If there is no money, then nothing can be spend. Of course we still have our reserves, that's why there is a debate, and it is not yet a fact. We can probably last another 5 months or so without touching the state budget law minimum, so congress shouldn't overreact like with Kylero's proposal, but we do need to look at becoming more sustainable, less expensive...
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Re: fighting for money

Post by NLSP on 2012-11-15, 09:12

the only way to become more sustainable is if we have again SO's
As expressed earlier, I'm willing to leave eBe for this, but I don't have gold or high Q weapon factories or the desire to buy gold. The ones that did, are no longer willing to be an SO.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by JdlF on 2012-11-15, 11:49

What's f*** or i don't know who 's proposition to make BNA self suppliable? Even if impossible in fact i'd like to know his idea.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by NLSP on 2012-11-15, 12:14

The idea is simple: one or more people have a Q7 weapons company (and/or food) + s*** of Raw material companies.
They work in the raw materials as a manager and let soldiers work as employee.

Initial starting cost: buying all companies
Working costs: the suppliers needs to work a lot as a manager +wages

That is the 'only plan' that can make the BNA self-sufficient, however you need a big starting budget + people willing to move. For instance, I'm willing to move, but I can't really help with reducing the starting costs.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by BrunoCND on 2012-11-15, 14:56

We are two looking to become SO in the future but that will take time because we're not buying gold.
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Re: fighting for money

Post by JdlF on 2012-11-15, 16:29

BH a lot; i've just seen a guy with over 600 BH in 4 months of game ...
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Re: fighting for money

Post by Stijn Puttemans on 2012-11-15, 17:03

I'm also interested in becoming a SO. Only it will take time to build Q7 factories. I'm at Q3 weapon and Q4 food for the moment..
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Re: fighting for money

Post by Jofroi on 2012-11-15, 23:45

JdlF wrote:BH a lot; i've just seen a guy with over 600 BH in 4 months of game ...

Some people can, but nobody in eBelgium^^. Only Thomas Red could have the strength to win 1 BH/day but he's not really eBelgian^^.

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