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Post by alexandros on 2013-04-04, 23:10

Dear Belgians,

After my presidential program and introductory articel, I would like to present you my prospective government. I tried to find motivated and experienced players, I hope you’ll be satisfied with the result.

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Post by Jens Leupe on 2013-04-04, 23:15

Good luck to you and your government (to be :p )!!!
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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-04-04, 23:16

Awesomness for President

I approve this government and give it the mention "Born to be awesome" !!!
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Post by Jens Leupe on 2013-04-04, 23:27

I'm looking forward to our cooperation Alex Smile !!!
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Re: [A4P] My government

Post by alexandros on 2013-04-04, 23:50

Thank you! Smile
Jens, just two days ^^ (be optimistic! Smile )
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Re: [A4P] My government

Post by Vincent Pain on 2013-04-05, 19:21

I ask the new President to go for direct democracy.... this means that every new law proposal must be voted first on the forum.

next to that he's cabinet must be build following the last ellections result... the parties who got the most congresmembers must get the same share in Cabinet!! If not we wil not recognize this cabinet and we wil impeach the president.
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Post by tommot on 2013-04-05, 19:38

Vincent Pain wrote:I ask the new President to go for direct democracy.... this means that every new law proposal must be voted first on the forum.

next to that he's cabinet must be build following the last ellections result... the parties who got the most congresmembers must get the same share in Cabinet!! If not we wil not recognize this cabinet and we wil impeach the president.
In other words: your way, or no way.....And for a moment you where doing well(before your threat of impeachment).

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Post by Vincent Pain on 2013-04-05, 20:05

tommot wrote:
Vincent Pain wrote:I ask the new President to go for direct democracy.... this means that every new law proposal must be voted first on the forum.

next to that he's cabinet must be build following the last ellections result... the parties who got the most congresmembers must get the same share in Cabinet!! If not we wil not recognize this cabinet and we wil impeach the president.
In other words: your way, or no way.....And for a moment you where doing well(before your threat of impeachment).


Bro... i only ask to do things the democratic way. Nothing more, nothing less....
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Re: [A4P] My government

Post by Teddy beer eBe on 2013-04-05, 20:25

Dude, what you are doing is blackmail.
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Post by Critically on 2013-04-05, 20:29

Vincent Pain wrote:I ask the new President to go for direct democracy.... this means that every new law proposal must be voted first on the forum.

next to that he's cabinet must be build following the last ellections result... the parties who got the most congresmembers must get the same share in Cabinet!! If not we wil not recognize this cabinet and we wil impeach the president.

Good luck, for impeachment you need 2/3 majority of Congress, HOPE and BB doesn't even reach the 50% :p

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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-04-05, 20:40

That's blackmailing, please you just got your mask back, please don't make us loose the hope we had in you.
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Post by Eco Freak on 2013-04-05, 20:45

Vincent Pain wrote:Bro... i only ask to do things the democratic way. Nothing more, nothing less....

Dude you are asking for Direct democracy, unless you are talking about just congress (then that is already done right?
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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-04-05, 20:49

Vincent Pain wrote:I ask the new President to go for direct democracy.... this means that every new law proposal must be voted first on the forum.

next to that he's cabinet must be build following the last ellections result... the parties who got the most congresmembers must get the same share in Cabinet!! If not we wil not recognize this cabinet and we wil impeach the president.

I ask HOPE to stop rogue proposals and rogue NE's and join our forum or I will impeache your gov. How does that sound to you ?
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Post by Vincent Pain on 2013-04-05, 20:50

Eco Freak wrote:
Vincent Pain wrote:Bro... i only ask to do things the democratic way. Nothing more, nothing less....

Dude you are asking for Direct democracy, unless you are talking about just congress (then that is already done right?

I ask 2 things

1- Direct democracy (Every new law must get pre-voted in game before the debate and law proposal on the forum)

2- Cabinet: The cabinet must be a reflection of congresellections, that means...the partie's who have the most congresmembers must have the most cabinet members.... if not i can't recognize the cabinet.


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Post by boer jan on 2013-04-05, 20:50

congress and government are 2 different things, otherwise the voting would be the same day.

If the CP wants that the hole cabinet is made by his partymembers nobody can avoid that, if he takes people of the oposition it is a sign of solidarity, if you push him further is a sign of hostality, so that is undemocratic.
but you can always propose it in congress if you think it must be so, than it becomes democratic
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Post by Vincent Pain on 2013-04-05, 20:51

MCKitkat wrote:
Vincent Pain wrote:I ask the new President to go for direct democracy.... this means that every new law proposal must be voted first on the forum.

next to that he's cabinet must be build following the last ellections result... the parties who got the most congresmembers must get the same share in Cabinet!! If not we wil not recognize this cabinet and we wil impeach the president.

I ask HOPE to stop rogue proposals and rogue NE's and join our forum or I will impeache your gov. How does that sound to you ?

That sounds rather funny... but i like you'r style... Laughing
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Post by Vincent Pain on 2013-04-05, 20:51

boer jan wrote:congress and government are 2 different things, otherwise the voting would be the same day.

If the CP wants that the hole cabinet is made by his partymembers nobody can avoid that, if he takes people of the oposition it is a sign of solidarity, if you push him further is a sign of hostality, so that is undemocratic.
but you can always propose it in congress if you think it must be so, than it becomes democratic

Thx for the advice
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Re: [A4P] My government

Post by alexandros on 2013-04-05, 21:19

The first part of your proposal (forum votes before IG) is good. I support it.
The second isn't. In a democracy there are 3 kind of power:
1. Executive Power - exercised by the executive branch of the government such as the presidency. Its function is to execute and enforce the law.

2. Legislative Power - the power to legislate. This is exercised by the Congress.

3. Judicial Power - to power to settle legal disputes. This is exercised by judicial courts.

We mustn't combine the elections of the first and the second powers. It wouldn't be democratic.
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Post by Vincent Pain on 2013-04-05, 21:25

alexandros wrote:The first part of your proposal (forum votes before IG) is good. I support it.
The second isn't. In a democracy there are 3 kind of power:
1. Executive Power - exercised by the executive branch of the government such as the presidency. Its function is to execute and enforce the law.

2. Legislative Power - the power to legislate. This is exercised by the Congress.

3. Judicial Power - to power to settle legal disputes. This is exercised by judicial courts.

We mustn't combine the elections of the first and the second powers. It wouldn't be democratic.


Bollocks!!

It is democratic, only the judicial part must be handled sepperatly....
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Post by alexandros on 2013-04-05, 21:30

Was Montesquieu wrong? Smile
Congress elections = Presidential elections.
Two independent powers, congress is making laws, government is leading the country in pursuance of laws.

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Post by Fhaemita Malodorous on 2013-04-06, 00:33

alexandros wrote:Was Montesquieu wrong? Smile
Congress elections = Presidential elections.
Two independent powers, congress is making laws, government is leading the country in pursuance of laws.

Separation of power/trias politica Smile

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Post by lin0leum on 2013-04-06, 08:48

Was Montesquieu wrong?
he was very wrong.
congress of representatives >> executive branch (which is too much powerful in the game unfortunately). so vincent is quite correct actually.

cp operator needs to follow the programme from the elections in the first place. not to transfer the power on any cabinet. cp operator don't even need a cabinet, if s/he just fulfils and executes that programme.

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Post by alexandros on 2013-04-06, 14:46

The cabinet and the congress have to be two different things. If aren't, there is no democracy anymore.
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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-04-06, 14:49

lin0leum wrote:
Was Montesquieu wrong?
he was very wrong.
congress of representatives >> executive branch (which is too much powerful in the game unfortunately). so vincent is quite correct actually.

cp operator needs to follow the programme from the elections in the first place. not to transfer the power on any cabinet. cp operator don't even need a cabinet, if s/he just fulfils and executes that programme.

Whaaaaaaaat ? You are kidding right, Montesquieu was wrong ? That is a very good joke I must say.

The CP is free to do what he wants. If he wants a cabinet with only members of party A then it is his right to do so. If he wants members of party A,B and C then he can do so. What if party A wins the most CM's but none of them really want to be in gov ? And party B doesn't get into congress but his members are very experienced in gov work ? That's quite unfair.

As you said, this game is different then RL, so other rules apply here. The system we have has been good and there was no complain what so ever till now, when you guys started blackmailing alexandross.
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Post by shadowukcs on 2013-04-06, 15:30

lin0leum wrote:
Was Montesquieu wrong?
he was very wrong.
congress of representatives >> executive branch (which is too much powerful in the game unfortunately). so vincent is quite correct actually.

cp operator needs to follow the programme from the elections in the first place. not to transfer the power on any cabinet. cp operator don't even need a cabinet, if s/he just fulfils and executes that programme.


I too think the ministers should be regarded as "helpers" for the CP and not people that take over his job.
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Post by tommot on 2013-04-06, 15:50

You can not force a congress member to become a part of a cabinet/government.
Ever considered that not all CM's wants that.
And before you know it your short-handed...
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Post by alexandros on 2013-04-06, 22:10

Thank you, Tommot! Smile
Nice article as always Smile
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Post by tommot on 2013-04-06, 22:13

As is your first message as CP... Nice Very Happy

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Post by lin0leum on 2013-04-07, 06:04

alexandros wrote:The cabinet and the congress have to be two different things. If aren't, there is no democracy anymore.
there is no democracy so far. and with a cabinet there won't be. this game has twisted/retarded mechanics/rules and we need to straighten it as much as possible.

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Post by alexandros on 2013-04-08, 14:47

Thank you all!
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