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Post by Nohjis on 2013-04-29, 17:15

shadowukcs wrote:Besides, HOPE and BB in power seems like a lulztastic combo that would provide lots of laughter to BE and lots of butthurt to Konrad, Nohjis and co

If I actually cared about who became the next CP, I would've moved back to eBe 2 months ago. I'm perfectly fine where I am. Glad to see I still give you motivation to make me laugh.
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Post by shadowukcs on 2013-04-29, 17:33

Nohjis wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:Besides, HOPE and BB in power seems like a lulztastic combo that would provide lots of laughter to BE and lots of butthurt to Konrad, Nohjis and co

If I actually cared about who became the next CP, I would've moved back to eBe 2 months ago. I'm perfectly fine where I am. Glad to see I still give you motivation to make me laugh.


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Post by boer jan on 2013-04-29, 18:21

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That and I do actually believe they are treated like sh*t and I respect people who keep on going, despite what others throw at them.


I can relate to their stubbornness.

strange, usually you treat everybody like s***, but when you think someone else does the same you are sticking your neck out for the oppressed? something smelly is going on.
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Post by tommot on 2013-04-29, 18:35

That's what happens when everyone is saying stuff like: "S**t" s**t

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Post by MaryamQ on 2013-04-29, 19:42

GW, regarding whether your comment is homophobic, let me ask, if one of us used an avatar of a female with big boobs hanging out, would you suggest that it be covered up? If you wouldn't, I rest my case.

btw, you will never see such an avatar from me because I consider it sexist and degrading. If you will notice, none of the real women here uses those or encourages them.
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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-29, 21:25

My comment can't be homophobic maybe sexist comment, or macho comment

But never homophobic

and if i will suggest for you and others girls covered it ? yes i will No
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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-04-29, 21:28

MaryamQ wrote:GW, regarding whether your comment is homophobic, let me ask, if one of us used an avatar of a female with big boobs hanging out, would you suggest that it be covered up? If you wouldn't, I rest my case.

btw, you will never see such an avatar from me because I consider it sexist and degrading. If you will notice, none of the real women here uses those or encourages them.

My is covered Smile
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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-29, 22:21

No yes No girls keep covered lol
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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-29, 22:26

@MaryamQ -- if one of us used an avatar of a female with big boobs hanging out, would you suggest that it be covered up?

you kill me cheers
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Post by shadowukcs on 2013-04-29, 22:53

boer jan wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:

That and I do actually believe they are treated like sh*t and I respect people who keep on going, despite what others throw at them.


I can relate to their stubbornness.

strange, usually you treat everybody like s***, but when you think someone else does the same you are sticking your neck out for the oppressed? something smelly is going on.

That's because most people cave in and give up when they're put under pressure. Peeps are HOPE and BB are stubborn and resistant little buggers. And I respect that infinitely times more than weak-minded people.
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Post by Jofroi on 2013-04-30, 07:28

shadowukcs wrote:
That's because most people cave in and give up when they're put under pressure. Peeps are HOPE and BB are stubborn and resistant little buggers. And I respect that infinitely times more than weak-minded people.

I have to conceade you that, you have been losing for 3 years in a row and you are still trying :p.

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Post by Fhaemita Malodorous on 2013-04-30, 09:48

G.W.Junior wrote:My comment can't be homophobic maybe sexist comment, or macho comment

But never homophobic

People are way too sensitive about these things.
I got banned for a homophobic comment saying "The admins are gay"
And I am f*** gay myself.

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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-30, 10:36

lol!
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Post by Nohjis on 2013-04-30, 11:24

shadowukcs wrote:That's because most people cave in and give up when they're put under pressure. Peeps are HOPE and BB are stubborn and resistant little buggers. And I respect that infinitely times more than weak-minded people.

Most people are here to have fun with others unlike you whose only goal left in this game is to annoy others. From your perspective it's probably a valid way to have fun. As I've accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish around here and eBelgium believes you should be able to have fun like that because they believe it's harmless I have left. I don't need a failed kid trying to exerce power through abuse in a game to annoy me. Your behaviour in particular is what has been hurting eBelgium's development for years. The reason you're here is because it's probably the only eCountry in eRep that allows you to have this kind of power.

I have far more respect for those you call weak-minded people that have stood up against you over time. More respect for those who move on because this is just a game and they do have better things to do with their life. You're not helping because HOPE/BB are mistreated, you're helping because you believe you can achieve revenge over people who are no longer interested in making you lose. You're helping because you think you can win something. Just know that even if you achieve to win the elections you will be hurting noone you intend to hurt by whatever "fun" it is you're planning. Be it Thomas, Ward, NLSP or myself, we moved on to other things because you're not worth the effort. All of us won enough to prove we're better then you. I can't help it that you lack the willpower to achieve something against a worthy opponent.

Those I've lost respect for are those that are still around and do nothing believing they will stay in power while they have the information you're attempting a PTO in joint forces with Wim from your own mouth for over 4 months, those who forget to move even when you're close to success. Those who have bullied Babyboom out of spite because they failed to pull sufficient political weight rather then attempting to bring them into the broader community. Those who forget to play the game of politics and act all surprised when they've lost electoral weight.

I'm only unhappy to have seen some within your ranks cheat (only talking about the multies) to try to win, just tell 'em to take some more time to get in that powerseat if they really want it. I believe you have about 50% chance of succeeding this month and 85% chance of succeeding before the summer is over. So, good luck because I'll be really disappointed in the lot of you if you fail (again).
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Post by Konrad Neumann on 2013-04-30, 11:54

G.W.Junior wrote:Désolé mais je ne peut te répondre a cause de ta nouvelle photo, pour pas rentrée dans les insultes homo je m’abstiens/ Sorry but I can not answer you because of your new photo to not return in homo insults I refrain

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:People are way too sensitive about these things.
I got banned for a homophobic comment saying "The admins are gay"
And I am f*** gay myself.

I personally find that comment really lame and a bit insulting. There is a difference between Fhaemita's comments which was a joke that a mod misunderstood but the connotation is that of a joke with no malice intended.

The comments of GW was meant as an insult. He mocks my orientation and the very nature of who I am. His very statement is the insult he "said" he will refrain from saying. Then you have your standard Vincent Pain and now GW quote of "Put a shirt on comment." What is the purpose of that comment and your focus on "homo" avatar? The context here is to provoke and to hurt me personally.

I do not know why I should need to tolerate such comments?

To add insult to injury, your who article is about equality

G.W.Junior wrote:The far left refers to the highest degree of leftism in left-wing politics. The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification.

But clearly their comments towards me shows that some people are more equal than others.

G.W.Junior wrote: No yes No girls keep covered lol

G.W.Junior wrote:@MaryamQ -- if one of us used an avatar of a female with big boobs hanging out, would you suggest that it be covered up?

you kill me cheers

Base on your attitude, women and gays are not equal for your attitude towards me is mocking. Your use of homo mocking to get to me shows you clearly do not respect gay people in general. You are more than ok showing big breasted almost nude women in your newspaper before you deleted them. It seems to me that you want gay people to go back into the closet and women to be your eye candy and nothing more. Last I check, that is a form of "social stratification" and a really backwards one. From from being progressive, far from the left, and far from libertarian. Your equality message is clearly bull sh*t.

Also, if you can, try to answer/reply to my original comment.
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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-30, 12:27

Finally, an post for the least funny. you understand anything as always.

Phaeminta and has explained how people are sensitive when talking about gay, you do not understand because you're gay is because you are young

And yes i'm a macho
and i prefere see nice girls is my right no?

Or you are heterophobe ?
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Post by Coprolyth on 2013-04-30, 12:38

Jofroi wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:
That's because most people cave in and give up when they're put under pressure. Peeps are HOPE and BB are stubborn and resistant little buggers. And I respect that infinitely times more than weak-minded people.

I have to conceade you that, you have been losing for 3 years in a row and you are still trying :p.

Haha !♥

I believe you have about 50% chance of succeeding this month and 85% chance of succeeding before the summer is over.

Why are you rating our chances so high ?
We have far less members then you.
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Post by Konrad Neumann on 2013-04-30, 12:49

G.W.Junior wrote:Finally, an post for the least funny. you understand anything as always.

Phaeminta and has explained how people are sensitive when talking about gay, you do not understand because you're gay is because you are young

And yes i'm a macho
and i prefere see nice girls is my right no?

Or you are heterophobe ?

It is clear to me that you are not only homophobic but also a sexist. You are too blind to see it. I really do not care what Fhaemita said for we are good friends and we do disagree. I honestly think he did not see your comment towards me. Even if he did, he might be stronger than me or others who share my view. Regardless, it is your intention that is the question. You intend to hurt people is what most people here think it is low. The comment are just words but your intent is what people see and do not appreciate.

You call yourself macho, but I see a small petty angry person and nothing more. There is nothing MACHO about mocking people's race, gender, orientation, etc...
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Post by Tensa Zangetsu san on 2013-04-30, 12:54

Hum well, I'm sorry... I was sure in this topic people talked about the party H.O.P.E., but I only see answers about sexual orientation... maybe is it the bad topic?

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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-30, 12:57

wave thank you Zangetsu, good to you join here

We all wait your point


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Post by Tensa Zangetsu san on 2013-04-30, 13:07

Why so sexist? This is something that really makes me angry... I am a far-leftist IRL, for me those things there shouldn't be written, how the hell people can speak like that?

A person is always equal to another one

I know it can be really simple because many people say that, but I really think it.
It is absolutly, unbelievable to see comments like that here... I'm... how could I say? I'm outraged...

We're the same species, we're Human beings, this is the only thing that sould be considerated...

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Post by Requiem Domine on 2013-04-30, 13:10

G.W. Junior - You ought to be ashamed of yourself, using Ayrton's pic and being an ignorant deluded homophobic bloke at the same time. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME NOW, I SAID!
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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-30, 13:29

@Zangetsu-Osan here is not a debate homo.

when i ask that we all wait your point-of-view you know what we talk about
you are a HOPE member and exPP

than give us your point
about politics

Than we all wait

I want know for unify our party and you wait for to long now


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Post by Nohjis on 2013-04-30, 13:37

Coprolyth wrote:
I believe you have about 50% chance of succeeding this month and 85% chance of succeeding before the summer is over.

Why are you rating our chances so high ?
We have far less members then you.

Because you're organized and working towards a goal while many others are complacent and don't seem to have a real objective. It's never about members, it's about managing to find people to vote for your project. Finding sufficient voters always goes through new players and to my understanding you guys manage to do that better at the moment.
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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-04-30, 19:33

Please get back on topic. This thread is about HOPE and nothing more.
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Post by Fhaemita Malodorous on 2013-04-30, 19:51

Konrad Neumann wrote:It is clear to me that you are not only homophobic but also a sexist. You are too blind to see it. I really do not care what Fhaemita said for we are good friends and we do disagree. I honestly think he did not see your comment towards me. Even if he did, he might be stronger than me or others who share my view.

I actually missed his comment

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Post by G.W.Junior on 2013-04-30, 23:02

MCKitkat wrote:Please get back on topic. This thread is about HOPE and nothing more.
Sincerely MCKitkat
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Post by Konrad Neumann on 2013-05-01, 01:44

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G.W.Junior wrote:UK
The far left refers to the highest degree of leftism in left-wing politics. The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification. Far leftists seek to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly the inequitable distribution of wealth and power. The far left seeks a society in which everyone is provided equal economic and social opportunities, and no one has excessive wealth or power over others

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L'extrême gauche désigne le plus haut degré de gauchisme dans la politique de gauche. L'extrême gauche cherche l'égalité des résultats et le démantèlement de toutes les formes de stratification sociale. Loin gauchistes cherchent à abolir toutes les formes de hiérarchie, en particulier la répartition inéquitable des richesses et du pouvoir. L'extrême gauche cherche une société dans laquelle chacun est fourni opportunités économiques et sociales égales, et personne n'a la richesse excessive ou pouvoir sur les autres

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. I cannot say for the French part, but the English description is rather weak. You do not tell us what HOPE is. Far left? Which tradition? To say the far left is not anarchy is funny. For the 3 main branches of the far left is Anarchism, Communism, and Radical Socialism. 2 of the 3 supports an anarchistic goal. Anarchism is a self given but Communism too have a dissolving of the state when the "classless" society is achieved. The only one that does not achieve anarchism is radical socialism in the case of Mao, Stalin, Lenin etc. Well I am not sure that is an ideal vision for eBE for I think most of us likes democracy and not authoritarian regimes.

All I see from your post are more rhetoric. Only the radical left supports equality and fairness? Why is it not fair for people who use RL cash or are really eOld and made good investments to have more capital? Why is hope against supporting citizen packs and the BTA etc in the past but only their MU? Do you still do not understand the economic system of eBE and the game? For your rhetoric suggest you do not.

As to the illegal immigrants. I find it funny that you continue to deny it. I did not look recently and I am sure someone will link them. We even have a case for it and got Vincent Pain banned for a good while http://www.erepbelgium.com/t8135-requesting-pto-illegal-immigration-case-against-avegan-lin0lium-and-vincent-pain You have Vincent and Lin0 going to other countries like Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus to get people here to fight against the establishment. Lin0 even confessed that he wants to PTO eBE for it is the only way to evoke change in eBE. The SC did rule and believe that there are a lot of evidence that they are a risk and is trying to PTO eBE but let the congress/ CP to act. They did with banning Vincent Pain.


Address, comment, answer it then, instead of making "homo" comments. Your attitude and tone is really disrespectful and it is you who started this "homo" debate with your homophobic comments. Instead of apologizing, you double downed.

Go and reply to my original comment or do you want to bash me some other ways? I am waiting.
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Post by shadowukcs on 2013-05-01, 09:58

Can some moderator delete all Konrad and his homo-whining comments plz? This was a good topic until konrad started ruining it.
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Post by Nihil.sine.deo on 2013-05-01, 10:03

shadow - I will vote for you as moderator just for fun - just to see what exactly you like to read, what you like to see , who do you like from this forum. And the fun side in this would be that by that time you gonna have this forum just for you ...a happy man.
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Post by mEd on 2013-05-04, 07:51

Zangetsu-osan wrote:

A person is always equal to another one

Nice speech, now people should apply this on eBelgium and the hate against BB and HOPE instead of debatting on who is homophobic and who isn't.

PS: To stay off-topic: I hate people showing them shirtless, this reminds me twilight's fag, but I am not homophobic, maybe just jealous.
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Post by Beaver on 2013-05-04, 09:09

PS-reaction: Two guys shirtless in yr profile pic too :p

+1 for the nice speech comment
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Post by mEd on 2013-05-04, 09:17

Except I don't do it to show the muscles that I don't have :p It's just for the troll face I am making on it while I f*** my friend's ass.
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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-05-04, 11:38

Warning: please stay on topic. I don't want to hear any discussions about shirtless people in here. Open another thread for it or just leave it be if not I seriously consider either splitting or closing this.
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Post by mEd on 2013-05-04, 11:41

MCKitkat wrote:Warning: please stay on topic. I don't want to hear any discussions about shirtless people in here. Open another thread for it or just leave it be if not I seriously consider either splitting or closing this.
Greetings MCKitkat

I agree, but please, just let the debate rego on-topic again or close the thread, don't ever split a topic again.
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Post by tommot on 2013-05-04, 13:03

I was just about to say the same thing that MCKitkat said.

@mEd: (1 possibility) if there is nothing relevant being discussed for some time then it is more viable to split the topic and place those non-relevant matters in a separate topic.
(2nd possibility) If to many completely different things are being discussed in 1 single topic it is also best to extract these things to a separate place.
(3th possibility) If it is to chaotic to make them separate topics then it is better to close the topic and let them start there own separate topics.

Also at this time it is only a warning before action might be taken.
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Post by Konrad Neumann on 2013-05-04, 15:41

mEd wrote:Nice speech, now people should apply this on eBelgium and the hate against BB and HOPE instead of debatting on who is homophobic and who isn't.

I think we should treat people as equal but that assumes they play by the rules. Taking state MU/ changing the name without congress approval is a huge violation of the community's trust. I think most of us can move on from that and I think all should make an effort to work with and include Babyboom as much as possible.

As to HOPE, I think they need to stop their anti-everything idea and they need to learn to be part of the community. Their immigration policy is undemocratic and will only destroy the eBE as we know it.

The community is open to both HOPE and BB ideals. You have the right as equals to debate issues on the forums etc. Babyboom has the decency to make an effort to engage the community but HOPE for the most part choose to boycott the forum. When they are here, they do not do much as well. Then they go and accept illegals into the country which in most cases favors their political party.

So please, as equals, tell me your ideas to remedy this HOPE problem. I would like to hear your ideas and I hope we can work together to resolve this issue. All I know is open door policy does not make sense and will only lead to problems.
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Post by mEd on 2013-05-04, 16:49

Some rules are just good to be changed cause of their stupidity, Konrad, and if you guys can move on, why is a part of the community always talking about the past, the things BB and HOPE did, etc. instead of seeing the good things we made or at least we tried to ?

Why is there still a permanent group of citizens raiding our articles in-game trying to show the entire country how bad you guys think we are, how stupid etc. ? Same on the forum. I was kinda inactive on the forum since weeks because I got bored of these false and s*** accusations and personnal attacks, I thought the problem was kinda "solved" or at least burried, until I saw Viridi spitting his venom in almost all of his posts about us. BUT WTF. I didn't even knew him before, and we almost never spoke, but still, he needs to spit on us, like u did before, like Kylero did before and like a lot of people did before.

I never saw anybody on this forum talking off-topic on almost all topics just to say s*** about some random members, but the number of topics like that I saw about us is just uncalculable. Even if we didn't say anything, you just travel the forum, read some things and then u see "BB", "Copro", "Coryn", "Muhezain", "HOPE", "shadow", even if it's off-topic and we didn't say anything, people talk in our backs permanently. And when we show up and we try to debate or something, it's worse, because it becomes more personal.

Sorry for my bad english, I hope (lolololol, HOPE, hihihi) I'll be understood.
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Post by Nihil.sine.deo on 2013-05-04, 19:25

Yeah yeah,,, mEd...the same old story : leave time heal the wounds. Well , things do not work like that here. That is why we should take care on what we are doing so our own personal history would not be full of this kind of story`s . I suggest to open another account (different name, different attitude) and then you can enjoy a good stay here. People wont forget(take example if Vincent, Shadow...) In my case, I have nothing personal with you. This post only tells you how things work around here : people have a name in this game and that name tells a story...depends on the man behind the name to make the story a positive one.
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Post by mEd on 2013-05-04, 20:03

Nihil.sine.deo wrote:Yeah yeah,,, mEd...the same old story : leave time heal the wounds. Well , things do not work like that here. That is why we should take care on what we are doing so our own personal history would not be full of this kind of story`s . I suggest to open another account (different name, different attitude) and then you can enjoy a good stay here. People wont forget(take example if Vincent, Shadow...) In my case, I have nothing personal with you. This post only tells you how things work around here : people have a name in this game and that name tells a story...depends on the man behind the name to make the story a positive one.

Well, nothing to add. I guess I am going to be inactive on this forum again since people like you aren't mature enough, I don't wan't to waste my time anymore arguing with braindead people, enjoy the game, sheep.

PS: We all know the story of BB, there is just two different versions and different perspectives. Vincent's story have two versions too, but people always prefer the drama one, the one where he's evil, a ptoer and where he got banned for multi since the other one is a story where he just wanted changes and where he never got banned (except by the sheep-community on the forum), just modified his eRep's name.

Anyway, enjoy living in the past, I am done here, at least I tried, it's not the first time I tend my hand on this forum and people just can't open their eyes.
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Post by tommot on 2013-05-04, 20:13

You 2 knock it off, neither one of you provides something new nor constructive by trampling over old b*ls**t.

mEd: are you gonna walk away from everyone because of just a few idiots?

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Post by Nihil.sine.deo on 2013-05-04, 20:24

Please note in my comm that I have stated that I, personally have nothing with that story or with Muhezain. I have just said that people will never forget like he hopes to. OK ? I am no idiot. I am the most peaceful guy there is. If Muhezain will ever wanna be a friend of mine I will be happy to be so. if he ever need my help will have it. Ask Coryn, we two talk a little in private and he knows that I am neutral all the way. If I only say that people will never forget a bad story is the faul of man kind to be like that , not mine. So you can call us all idiots
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Post by tommot on 2013-05-04, 20:37

I just pointing out that your comment was misunderstood. And konrads comment didn't help either.
I'm getting annoyed by people repeating the same stuff that was already expressed in this topic, and sometimes by the same people.

ps: this is not entirely directed at you alone, Nsd.
But hope you do understand why mEd is finding this frustrating to see the same notations pop up again.

ps2: my previous post clearly did not express my intend very well. For that i apologise.

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Post by mEd on 2013-05-04, 20:39

Nihil.sine.deo wrote:Please note in my comm that I have stated that I, personally have nothing with that story or with Muhezain. I have just said that people will never forget like he hopes to. OK ? I am no idiot. I am the most peaceful guy there is. If Muhezain will ever wanna be a friend of mine I will be happy to be so. if he ever need my help will have it. Ask Coryn, we two talk a little in private and he knows that I am neutral all the way. If I only say that people will never forget a bad story is the faul of man kind to be like that , not mine. So you can call us all idiots

Then I misunderstood what u were saying, but anyway, what u described is stupid (Not saying u are, this time, since apparently u weren't talking about you )

tommot: I know there is still good guys, but I am seriously tired of all these conflicts, I just wan't to make my daily actions in-game, kinda being informed by reading the forum, but I don't want to participate anymore since I don't think people listen or understand me anyway and the debates always go in circle anyway.
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Post by BenoitP on 2013-05-04, 20:55

The funny thing about this post is that this isn't a debate in any way.
It's not even about politics.

I know I'm new, but that doesn't change a thing about what I'm going to say.

Politics isn't about parties, it's about opinions and ideas. Politics is a way to govern a country in such a way that all the people have the possibility to vote or to have input. But in what I see here is that everybody is a politician.

Well no, not everyone is meant to be a politician. A politician is someone who can stay calm in a discussion without going personal after 5 sentences and who can defend the opinion of many people, putting aside his own. And clearly, some people in this topic lack this skill.

So what I suggest is you get back to the core of what this was, being an introduction or a little information about H.O.P.E.'s goals and opinions. And in fact, if I look at the first post or title, I see nothing saying that this was even a discussion.

If a certain party or person insists on writing comment, you either:
- write a news article about it (or blog) > for a person
- or write an article on your party blog or newspaper > for parties.

Let's hope some real politics will come out of here, eventually.

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Post by tommot on 2013-05-04, 21:02

You may be a newby in eRepublik(and such).
But, Hell, you know politics.

I hope to read more from you. Wink

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Post by MCKitkat on 2013-05-04, 22:07

BenoitP wrote:The funny thing about this post is that this isn't a debate in any way.
It's not even about politics.

I know I'm new, but that doesn't change a thing about what I'm going to say.

Politics isn't about parties, it's about opinions and ideas. Politics is a way to govern a country in such a way that all the people have the possibility to vote or to have input. But in what I see here is that everybody is a politician.

Well no, not everyone is meant to be a politician. A politician is someone who can stay calm in a discussion without going personal after 5 sentences and who can defend the opinion of many people, putting aside his own. And clearly, some people in this topic lack this skill.

So what I suggest is you get back to the core of what this was, being an introduction or a little information about H.O.P.E.'s goals and opinions. And in fact, if I look at the first post or title, I see nothing saying that this was even a discussion.

If a certain party or person insists on writing comment, you either:
- write a news article about it (or blog) > for a person
- or write an article on your party blog or newspaper > for parties.

Let's hope some real politics will come out of here, eventually.

Greetings.

Welcome, it's not usual to see new citizens already joining the action. I hope nobody forced you (me looks at Jofroi). I agree that this is only to talk about HOPE's goals etc. All the other discussion going on are not really needed here, but they pop up everywhere and they pop up faster as you can warn them.
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Post by Nihil.sine.deo on 2013-05-04, 22:12

BenoitP is one of us MCKitkat, it`s from Res Belgica. Welcome in our party. Join our forum section an share your wisdom with us. you may be the chosen one that the prophets talk about ages ago (I have send a message to the responsible person to give you access on our super top secret part of this forum)
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Post by Konrad Neumann on 2013-05-05, 03:11

mEd wrote:Some rules are just good to be changed cause of their stupidity, Konrad, and if you guys can move on, why is a part of the community always talking about the past, the things BB and HOPE did, etc. instead of seeing the good things we made or at least we tried to ?

Why is there still a permanent group of citizens raiding our articles in-game trying to show the entire country how bad you guys think we are, how stupid etc. ? Same on the forum. I was kinda inactive on the forum since weeks because I got bored of these false and s*** accusations and personnal attacks, I thought the problem was kinda "solved" or at least burried, until I saw Viridi spitting his venom in almost all of his posts about us. BUT WTF. I didn't even knew him before, and we almost never spoke, but still, he needs to spit on us, like u did before, like Kylero did before and like a lot of people did before.

I never saw anybody on this forum talking off-topic on almost all topics just to say s*** about some random members, but the number of topics like that I saw about us is just uncalculable. Even if we didn't say anything, you just travel the forum, read some things and then u see "BB", "Copro", "Coryn", "Muhezain", "HOPE", "shadow", even if it's off-topic and we didn't say anything, people talk in our backs permanently. And when we show up and we try to debate or something, it's worse, because it becomes more personal.

Sorry for my bad english, I hope (lolololol, HOPE, hihihi) I'll be understood.

Well I agree that some laws should be changed. I am the first to say that eBE could use a lot of reforms. I am open to change. However, immigration law is not one of them. We can reform it but I still think it should not be open doors. I can admit that I was too harsh on Babyboom, to Coryn and yourself. So I apologize for myself if I have offended you in the process. I still do not agree with all of your ideals or policies but I think your heart is in the right place and I hope you do not go back to isolation. I hope we can work together in the days to come and to resolve our differences and to build and improve eBE and its community.

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Post by Coprolyth on 2013-05-06, 01:16

No insults please.
Greetings MCKitkat


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