The left side of eBelgium

eBelgium has been invaded by Commies..... For all you Commies/Socialists on the forums here I a few questions.

1. Say you do get control of eBelgium, do you set up a Communist economy?

2. Are you connected with any Communist organizations in the world? (i.e. like the Russian one that dominates the food market in eRussia)

3. If you do set up a communist economy will I lose my investments in eBelgium?

Sincerely,
A concerned Capitalist

This is only me speaking.
While in Res Belgica I was dark red, I would think in BCP I am light red.
I do hope that now it is clear that the left has arrived in eBelgium Multiple communes should be set up and all around welfare WILL go up. But clearly the companies that are currently making wild profits will lose. And they should!

1. As the left is still a small fraction that will not happen soon.

2. I do hope BCP will become an official partner of the internationale. But personally I have no connection with any other country.

3. You will not lose any investments but the time of getting rich from the poor will be over (again that would be in a left dominated political culture what currently is not the case).

Making wild profits is a crime and the government should do something about it!

As for me, I've stated most of my agenda in my newspaper.

1. If by Communist economy you mean state-run, then yes. There will be more hands on management of our companies. When you say "that won't work", I say, "how's it working for you now?"

2. I have no connections with the global communist community. I actually tried to friend the Anarchist collective org but they denied me...

3. Depends on what you mean by investments. If you mean investments as in exploiting the people of eBelgium with high prices and low wages, then yes, you will be put out of business.

A national commune is in the interest of our nation. Look, we're never going to be the economic powerhouse everyone is wishing is going to happen. We're never going to be a military power. Do you think the world will shed a tear should we fall to shambles? We need to look after each other. Massive state-companies to employ the masses, donate weekly rations, supress the market price for other goods with gov't-produced goods.

And lose even more players because they have no hope of bettering themselves or growing, other than as the elite few say they must grow.
We are PLAYING a game, some people get it, some don't. The government provides help in the form of information, food assistance, housing assistance, free BEF for signing up to the forums, etc. All anybody has to do is ask, participate in the housing auctions, or sign up for the forums. All of these things are free or extremely low-cost (the last house auction went for 2 BEF, doesn't get much cheaper than that).
A State economy works, but only for a little while. The ever-increasing loss slowly drains the treasury, crippling the country and leaving Belgium a shell. Nothing can run at a loss forever, and a closed system is destined to fail.

Well lets use this thread for developing a communist economic system in eRepublik.

You have to drop the BEF, why? If there are no foreign investors then your citizens aren't making any gold. Everything is done by gold, citizens work in a commune and get weekly payments of gold to their account. They also get Food and can apply for housing programs. To figure out what everyone gets the newspapers and citizen.info have people getting registered. Rations are passed out and the workers keep working. Every worker gets a share of the gold they make as they export the surplus. X= gold made, X gets divided amongst the citizenry according to skill level so a guru carpenter makes more then an apprentice. The government gets 10% of X for Taxes and other military fees. The government then institutes education programs on how the citizens can invest their money so they can make more gold.

The average citizen becomes more prosperous and it costs a ****load of gold to set up the communes (or you can do it the aggresive way with 99% Income tax to force the wealthy people to give up their companies)


That's how I think it would work....

I've been playing this game for almost (still a few days short) 1000 days now. Joined up on day 22. I've seen dozens of countries trying to set up a communist society (even in the first stages of the game, back in beta, when the odds of success where a billion times higher then they are today) and they all failed. Every single one of them turned out setting the country back for months or even years!! I've seen a dozen communist initiatives in eUK (NHS, a gifting hub, free food for newcomers, ...) they all nearly drove the country to it's doom and to it's bankruptcy


If there's one thing I've learned in e-republik its that in this game, communism destroys your country. This has been the case for every communist system ever set up (bare one, /v/akistan, but that wasn't really communist but rather fascist/dictatorial )

1. Say you do get control of eBelgium, do you set up a Communist economy?

I would yes. But that would only be to make the basic products (Houses and Food) avaliable for all players, and to provide the needed recources for the Gov and State Army.


2. Are you connected with any Communist organizations in the world? (i.e. like the Russian one that dominates the food market in eRussia)

Yes, with the internationale under wich the Russian one opperates.

3. If you do set up a communist economy will I lose my investments in eBelgium?

If you are using fair prices, you'll just lose the biggest part of your investments if those would be in the same sector as our communes. Atm we don't have much of a working commune, so lolz, no treads.

I keep hearing the term "fair prices". What exactly is that? Is a fair price defined as the price you think a person should be charging, or is it really the price a company owner needs to charge in order to pay for his/her expenses and generate a small return on their investment?

Thore Thoreson wrote:I keep hearing the term "fair prices". What exactly is that? Is a fair price defined as the price you think a person should be charging, or is it really the price a company owner needs to charge in order to pay for his/her expenses and generate a small return on their investment?

A fair price is not 10 times more than its production cost. Like the current food prices. Profits are OK but not in such a way. The company owners should be a bit more realistic. If you hear that some count to have their initial investment back in less than 2 weeks than I call those businessmen criminals.

The thing about eRepublik that you arent understanding is that anyone can

If you hear that some count to have their initial investment back in less than 2 weeks than I call those businessmen criminals.

Everyone starts off on equal ground the only advantage is the amount of time playing and whether or not you are willing to spend RL money.

tbh, I'm not sure exactly where I stand on this discussion, although I think it's no secret that I definitely have a leftward tilt. But doesn't being willing (or able) to spend RL money on the game naturally make it slanted toward capitalism, and doesn't that mean that a communist or socialist system is unlikely to get a fair trial? To be sure, personal wealth might lead to philanthropy, a la Alpha (Bill Gates in RL), but that is still the difference between giving a man a fish and helping him to become a fisherman, and there are plenty out there making profits without sharing them with anyone. If people get kicks out of becoming tycoons or battle heroes or whatever by spending RL money, that's their right, but that doesn't mean it makes the system they favor inherently better.

A philanthropist doesn't count on a full return of the initial investment in two weeks. Maybe once Alpha will become a philanthropist (like BG in RL) but for the moment he is still a businessman who only invested in our economy to get richer from it.

One does not need to spend RL money to improve the Belgium economy or get the most out of this game. Actually I do not understand how anyone spends RL money on this game. For sure I am not going to do that. When I played travian for 60 euro you could play a whole year. Here you can spend it in 1 day. And that for a game that actually mostly consists of roll playing.

voor al die dat zeggen dat de bedrijven mega winst maken

start dan zelf u bedrijf en zie het voor u zelf

Mijn excuses maar ik spreek van ervaring.
En niet alle bedrijven maken mega winst maar diegene die het wel doen weten wel over wie het gaat.

Low quality food DOESN'T COST 1.87BEF
It only costs a fraction.
Raws do not cost 0.10BEF they only cost a fraction.
Guns are not being sold and currently have massive production costs, the same goes for moving tickets and houses.

first off, it's hard nowadays to make a decent living as a businnessowner. They don't make the profits you think they make. More then often companies run on a loss.

Secondly, even if you install a communist government in a country like belgium you'd last less then a month before you drive the country to bankruptcy and depts it can never climb out of.


Why? because anyone with a little bit of savings can outbid our treasury.

Secondly: we don't have any raw mats and the climate to export to eBelgium isn't really great. So if you are going to make it even harder for busisness owners to start a company here, you'll just scare everyone away.

Please again I am only talking about basic needs.
Food is currently overpriced. More I am not saying

We have succesfully altered the food prices. Food now costs 1BEF.

We have succesfully altered the food prices. Food now costs 1BEF.

Step 1 of Communist Takeover is now complete....

Velitia wrote:

We have succesfully altered the food prices. Food now costs 1BEF.

Step 1 of Communist Takeover is now complete....

earlier in the communist party headquarters

You're all invited in the party though xD

don't join, it's trap

I think that the Communists and Socialist parties should be classified as a PTO group, why?

1. PTO means Political Take Over which they are trying to do
2. Once they get power they will institute a communist/socialist economy stealing from the business owners.
3. The BCP is connected with the Internationale, which is a global communist group.

Sounds like they fit the criteria....

Velitia wrote:I think that the Communists and Socialist parties should be classified as a PTO group, why?

I'm not a communist or there biggest fan but even I find this stupid.
That is just ignorant and narrow minded.
Classifying communist as a PTO group just because it's different and you don't like it is just crazy.

Velitia wrote:I think that the Communists and Socialist parties should be classified as a PTO group, why?

1. PTO means Political Take Over which they are trying to do
2. Once they get power they will institute a communist/socialist economy stealing from the business owners.
3. The BCP is connected with the Internationale, which is a global communist group.

Sounds like they fit the criteria....

I agree

and then we need to make sure they all wear like a star on their jackets so we can forbid them to take the bus with us normal non-communist ppl. (think of the children guys!!! will someone please think of the children... what will they do if they ever meet a communist... communists eat children!!)

And after a few months we start rounding them up and take them to secret camp.... errrr.... holiday camps I mean. With errrr.... nice communist showers

deal?

Deal. But then Shadowukcs has to serve as holiday camp master!

I'm not a communist or there biggest fan but even I find this stupid.
That is just ignorant and narrow minded.
Classifying communist as a PTO group just because it's different and you don't like it is just crazy.

I am not joining the belief of McCarthyism here, all I am saying is that if they do gain power they will directly steal and take eBelgium a long road down. Am I ignorant? No, I actually used to be a Marxist. I've read the Communist manifesto, I have studied Stalinist views and Trotskyist views. I know more about Communism then a big chunk of the world. Calling me ignorant for wanting to defend the solitary elife that I have now just because its different is almost ignorance in itself. (and no I don't base communism off the USSR)

On a different note it appears that someone in Res Belgica does not like the Communists.

I agree

and then we need to make sure they all wear like a star on their jackets so we can forbid them to take the bus with us normal non-communist ppl. (think of the children guys!!! will someone please think of the children... what will they do if they ever meet a communist... communists eat children!!)

And after a few months we start rounding them up and take them to secret camp.... errrr.... holiday camps I mean. With errrr.... nice communist showers

deal?

Well....

Velitia wrote:
On a different note it appears that someone in Res Belgica does not like the Communists.

I assume you are referring to the ads that are running. This was not presented in the RB forums and I am not really sure who put them up, but this is one RB member who finds them quite disturbing, and I believe they misrepresent the position of most of our active members.

So, Velitia, do I understand you correctly that any political movement arising in eBelgium, even one started by long-time loyal Belgians, would be considered by you to be a PTO?

MaryamQ wrote:

Velitia wrote:
On a different note it appears that someone in Res Belgica does not like the Communists.

I assume you are referring to the ads that are running. This was not presented in the RB forums and I am not really sure who put them up, but this is one RB member who finds them quite disturbing, and I believe they misrepresent the position of most of our active members.

So, Velitia, do I understand you correctly that any political movement arising in eBelgium, even one started by long-time loyal Belgians, would be considered by you to be a PTO?

+1

Besides, we're nowhere near TO'ing :p We have 2 active members, and 1 loose screw who's just in congress for the gold... So lolz, I'm flattered if you'd see us as a tread, but you must concidere you'd be messing with democracy if you'd lable us PTO'ers. And that's just something that we might not appreciate.

So, Velitia, do I understand you correctly that any political movement arising in eBelgium, even one started by long-time loyal Belgians, would be considered by you to be a PTO?

After really thinking about it the word PTO may be a bit harsh for it, but I guess I shall just see how it turns out.

but you must concidere you'd be messing with democracy

Popular Sovereignty, good point. I guess this thread is now just an embarrassing memory for me...

Lolz. No it's not, we'll be so kind to remember you to it evry now and then.
(no, just kiddin, if you want we can leave it behind us and be constructive.)