Video on belgium

by **Theneka** 2010-09-22, 14:25

http://vimeo.com/15049808

Its quite funny :p and positive^^

by **Citizen Robespierre** 2010-09-22, 15:15

Swiss chocolates hey?? Suspect

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-09-22, 17:26

Loved it, totally true

by **Theneka** 2010-09-22, 20:07

Only the swiss chocolate thing is f***. We have better chocolate :p

by **MaryamQ** 2010-09-22, 21:08

Thanks= you, Theneka. One thing this shows very well is that Belgians are witty and don't mind poking fun at themselves. Smile

by **Theneka** 2010-09-22, 21:26

lolz. The evil walloons did it :p

by **LeValeureuxLiegeois** 2010-09-22, 22:19

Nice one !
Very Happy

by Stilpo 2010-09-22, 23:42

I have decided to base all of my RL opinions about Belgium on this one video.

dance

by **Theneka** 2010-09-23, 00:19

Lolz :p

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2010-09-23, 00:57

she's got a point scratch

by Ivan Alexashenko 2010-09-23, 10:07

lol.Just watching the video come to mind not so long ago there were serious conflits in Belgium,almost divided Belgium 2 part.How's the situation?Anyone who lives there can tell me about it?

by **Theneka** 2010-09-23, 11:42

Most of the things being said about deviding is just empty treads (I hope xD) coz not much people realy want to separate, and it would be even harder to arrange a separation than it would be to solve it. So idk, we'll just have to wait and see Smile

but in the day to day life no one bothers the problems :p

by Ivan Alexashenko 2010-09-23, 13:59

Oh I see just empty talks coming from politicians
Thanks for info,next time I will throw this argument against my friends,asked someone who lives in Belgium dont dream Belgium will stay in whole xD

by **Theneka** 2010-09-23, 14:55

Lol

Well, that's just my view. Perhaps you should wait till some more people have reacted :p but idk :p

by Vulcain 2010-09-23, 17:15

Nice video! Belgium boring... I don't know about that but complicated... there's no doubt! But since I'm coming from Quebec, the French province of Canada, I kind of feel like home in Belgium! lol

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-09-23, 22:04

@Theneka: yeah, nobody wants to split Belgium
But (as I speak for myself) I hate the Walonian politicians cause they start crying when they get a small disadvantage
They also block everything that isnt good for them, and some parties try all the time to claim more flemish ground
The Flemish people are nationalistic, but not enough that they want to seperate, but the Walonian politicians are just speeding things up, they are the reason that N-VA got so popular

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2010-09-23, 22:30

well, Glenn, the blocking part is also true for our parties. The flemish media just plays out the walloon blocks mostly and not the flemish ones. And hell yeah some flemish politicians can cry as well (Bert Ancieux? Laughing

).

the main reason NVA got this popular is mister De Wever, no doubt. He first together with Bourgeois setted up a cartel with CD&V, made those go for a very nationalistic flemish discours, won with them the elections, kept them during negotiations very pro-flanders (else we'll leave you!), dumped them after a while to go solo since they now had gained much more support and were much more known (with regards to "De Slimste Mens ter Wereld"), and see their old partner now going down while they win because it was CD&V at the negotiationstable and not NVA.

I wonder when we'll have an agreement now. Nationalistic parties are just sometimes too focussed on their irrational goals to get further. During the government Verhofstadt 2 we almost had split up BHV, with an agreement we would now consider very good and which the walloon parties now can't accept. But Spirit, a nationalistic party in cartel with the flemish socialists, just had to blow it up saying: "not flemish enough". And I tell you, put that agreement on the table now, everyone would be happy. It just got f***ed up by nationalists.

by Stilpo 2010-09-23, 23:59

The things you learn in this game...

by **aVegan** 2010-09-24, 00:13

Sammy Tanghe wrote:well, Glenn, the blocking part is also true for our parties. The flemish media just plays out the walloon blocks mostly and not the flemish ones. And hell yeah some flemish politicians can cry as well (Bert Ancieux? ).

the main reason NVA got this popular is mister De Wever, no doubt. He first together with Bourgeois setted up a cartel with CD&V, made those go for a very nationalistic flemish discours, won with them the elections, kept them during negotiations very pro-flanders (else we'll leave you!), dumped them after a while to go solo since they now had gained much more support and were much more known (with regards to "De Slimste Mens ter Wereld"), and see their old partner now going down while they win because it was CD&V at the negotiationstable and not NVA.

I wonder when we'll have an agreement now. Nationalistic parties are just sometimes too focussed on their irrational goals to get further. During the government Verhofstadt 2 we almost had split up BHV, with an agreement we would now consider very good and which the walloon parties now can't accept. But Spirit, a nationalistic party in cartel with the flemish socialists, just had to blow it up saying: "not flemish enough". And I tell you, put that agreement on the table now, everyone would be happy. It just got f***ed up by nationalists.

+1

by Ivan Alexashenko 2010-09-24, 01:19

Sammy Tanghe wrote:It just got f***ed up by nationalists.

Thats quite common from Nationalist,they are only can do damage no matter where are they living xD

by **Theneka** 2010-09-24, 01:30

Ivan Alexashenko wrote:
Sammy Tanghe wrote:It just got f***ed up by nationalists.

Thats quite common from Nationalist,they are only can do damage no matter where are they living xD

QFT ivan. But on NVA, I think most of you will see that they are just an empty shell with Bart Dewever as 'boegbeeld' and a bunch of opportunists (ex- VB-VLD senate and kamer members) and media figures (Sigfried bracke)

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2010-09-24, 11:16

boegbeeld = figurehead Wink

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-09-24, 14:35

I voted NVA last elections, but I totally dont like Siegfried Bracke
I voted them because: Groen! agrees with everything as longas they can close some nuclear plants (kerncentrales), SP.A are just dumbasses with Genez as major idiot, Open VLD is evading every possibility of losing votes, CD&V was too weak, and they disappointed the Flemish by going for ministerposts instead for the word of the Flemish, Vlaams Belang is a little toooooooo extreme right; so yeah, then the onliest thing left was NVA, and they keep word right now, they arent just agreeing with everything
And say for yourself, if you had to give 500 million euro in exchange for some vague finance plan, you wouldnt agree dont you?
Also why the heck does the Walloons want to have a corridor to Brussels, as far as i know this is still one country, wich means, all ground is for every Belgian not just solely for Flemish or Walloons

Politicians just f*** everything up
Exchange those politicians by people who actually care about people and they would solve everything in a couple of weeks instead of arguing and just pushing everything in front of them

They should make a poll where you can choose between:
Does Belgium have to split up?
a) Yes
b) No
c) No, but those stupid politicians make me wanna have a split

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2010-09-24, 14:53

the corridor is to be able to put a claim on brussels should the country split up. It's a foolish idea, I know. concerning the money, the financial laws indeed need to be changed, by sending money to the central government or by giving the regions some responsabilities (for instance, appointing government personal happens by all governments, but only the belgian government needs to pay their pensions). Also we need to watch beyond money as well: we need to realise that Flanders will in general pay more then wallonia or brussels, just because they are the more wealthier region at this moment. That's a fact and it happens in every country: Western germany has money transfers to eastern germany, northern italy to southern italy, american east and westcoast to the midlands, etc. We need to stop crying over that. Wallonia payed the biggest burden in the past, now it is our turn.

and politicians who keep their words, usually can't sign agreements. Watch at Yves Leterme. He wanted to keep his word to the flemish people, in the end, the only stable governments we could get were Verhofstad III and Van Rompuy, because they managed to make compromises and truely go for pragmatic rule. The communitarian hassle keeps dragging on and on and on and in the meantime, nothing rlly goods happens. This country needs rest so that politicians can focus on true management of the country, not the freaking hassle of 5 people and their dog who feel discriminated because they hear french in their local supermarkt. I don't know Glenn if you can remember, but I can remember the peace and rest during Verhofstad I and II, when the politicians were capable of letting each other score and were able of working across the regional borders. Where are those times?

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2010-09-24, 17:29

I laughed about the video.
belgium is not boring Razz

by **aVegan** 2010-09-24, 17:52

I never understood why anyone ever thought Leterme was not going to fail.
Clearly a first minister should do his/her best for all citizens and regions.
Leterme won the elections with the promise he would help Flanders more than the other regions.
Look at their celebration speech. You saw more Vlaamse leeuwen than politicians.
I don't think it fitted that our future prime minister was singing De Vlaamse Leeuw so enthusiastic either.

And this coming from a historical belgicistische party.

If any party disappointed me the most the last years it has been the CD&V.

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2010-09-24, 19:24

aVegan wrote:And this coming from a historical belgicistische party.

in fact, they were historically one of the more pro-flemish parties, or atleast had more pro-flemish politicians then others. The main reason why after the 2nd world war the flemish collaborators got redeemed so fast (much faster compared to dutch or french collaborators) was the support of the CVP for those people. They also helped a lot in creating the idea that the flemish collaborators were but naieve good meaning people who suffered terrible from the repression afterwards. You can blame them for that.

christian conservatives, not my cup of tea ^^

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-09-24, 21:28

But Verhofstad wasnt a good leader
Jean-Luc dehaene (the guy before Verhofstad) made the costs drop and Belgium was getting better and better, our "begroting" was ok
But then Verhofstad came; he did good work i agree, but do you know how it came his "begroting" was ok? He sold a huge lot of governemental property, and we all know you can sell such thing only once, so he mislead most of us by letting us believe everything was ok

Politcians are all the same, they want as much power as possible and as much money as possible, like Kim Geybels, she got arrested with drugs in Thailand and still thinks she should be allowed in the Senate, how ridiculous is that?

Belgium is almost dead, not because Flemish hate Wallons or the other way, not because we wouldnt be able to pay all loans back
No, did you know that Belgium has to pay 45% of its income to RENT, only rent, and then they havent payed a cent of the loans, just the rent
Thats just ridiculous

the immigration is also f*** up; I agree "asielzoekers" want to find a better place, but Belgium is full, there is no more space and instead of letting people go only once through the procedure they let them go as much as they want, and after two years they have made children, they know the language, they are adapted to our life style and then they cant be send away anymore
Did you know that 60% of the youth in Antwerp is "allochtoon"; 60%!!!

I have a solution so politicians dont want to have long negotiations, right now they make 3000 euros a month (or more), well cut that back to 1500 untill they have a governement, untill that time they get only 1500 instead of 3000, you will see that everything will get solved a lot faster

Just take 5 people who are interested in politics right from the street, learn them what the income and outgoings are, how everything works and then let them decide, they will have arguements, but at least they wont keep on complaining for years about whether they should build a bridge or a tunnel

Belgium is f*** up, but thats the fault of politicans

by **aVegan** 2010-09-24, 21:43

I don't think that Belgium is f*** up at all. Income is far from low and welfare is high. If you think 45% for rent is much (you are talking about min wages and a city right?) you should check a few other places in the world. Also Belgium has a much higher rate of home owners than other countries.

Some politicians want to make us believe we are doing bad and everything could be so much better. If you look at the votes it seems they have convinced a lot of us. Belgium and specially Flanders (to be honest I don't know Wallonie so good) is a wonderful place to live. The only thing we miss is good weather and sun.

by **MaryamQ** 2010-09-24, 21:45

Stilpo wrote:The things you learn in this game...

Such as that politics is the same wherever you live.

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-09-24, 23:00

aVegan, Im not talking about minimum wage, Im talking about what the governement collects from taxes, btw,...
45% of these incomes are used to pay the rent of the loans the governement has!!!

by **aVegan** 2010-09-25, 00:17

oooh right. Thought you where talking about the rent of a house lol

Our taxes are high and have always been high. Don't see why this is at once so much worse.
A high welfare state costs money. I agree if you say that tax money could be used more efficient. But isn't this everywhere.

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-09-25, 01:24

But come on, say for yourself
45% of everything they get goes to paying the rent of their loans without paying off 1 cent of those loans
Simply ridiculous, they should care about that instead of deciding if it should be a bridge or a tunnel

by **Critically** 2010-09-25, 15:01

hahaha ... It is a funny video with only fact's !!

by Mikhail Alexander 2010-09-29, 14:03

I'm glad the eRep Belgium doesn't run like that :/

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-09-29, 17:00

Because erepBelgium has almost no economy at all?

by **Theneka** 2010-09-29, 22:30

I worked today, so there has to be some economy xD

by **nogex1** 2010-11-05, 13:16

there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-11-05, 13:28

nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

by **nogex1** 2010-11-05, 14:19

Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

I geuss thats just how we belgians do it Crying or Very sad

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-11-05, 15:13

nogex1 wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

I geuss thats just how we belgians do it

come on, lets go together Flemish and Wallons and take over the parliament and put normal people in those seats to solve all our problems

by **nogex1** 2010-11-05, 16:12

Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

I geuss thats just how we belgians do it

come on, lets go together Flemish and Wallons and take over the parliament and put normal people in those seats to solve all our problems

great idea Very Happy

by **Critically** 2010-11-05, 16:13

A coup on real Belgium.... Fantastic idea !

by **MaryamQ** 2010-11-05, 16:15

Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

I geuss thats just how we belgians do it

come on, lets go together Flemish and Wallons and take over the parliament and put normal people in those seats to solve all our problems

IMHO, you are developing skills right here that could enable you to do just that. That is a very hopeful thing I see developing from this game!

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-11-05, 16:20

MaryamQ wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

I geuss thats just how we belgians do it

come on, lets go together Flemish and Wallons and take over the parliament and put normal people in those seats to solve all our problems

IMHO, you are developing skills right here that could enable you to do just that. That is a very hopeful thing I see developing from this game!

Actually, politcians should do a test and play this game and make a country a better place, if they succeed they pass, if not they fail and have to become garbagemen

by **Critically** 2010-11-05, 16:21

Glenn Wauters wrote:
Actually, politcians should do a test and play this game and make a country a better place, if they succeed they pass, if not they fail and have to become garbagemen

by **Xgentis Lempereur** 2010-11-05, 16:56

Glenn Wauters wrote:
MaryamQ wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

I geuss thats just how we belgians do it

come on, lets go together Flemish and Wallons and take over the parliament and put normal people in those seats to solve all our problems

IMHO, you are developing skills right here that could enable you to do just that. That is a very hopeful thing I see developing from this game!

Actually, politcians should do a test and play this game and make a country a better place, if they succeed they pass, if not they fail and have to become garbagemen

What if they fail at being garbagemen?

by **Critically** 2010-11-05, 16:57

Xgentis Lempereur wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
MaryamQ wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:
nogex1 wrote:there actually are a lot of people who want belgium seperatet but they all just screaming that from the side line and aren't doing nothing so its no big deal

Idd
In France they go manifestate and start buring cars if their president (who they all voted for) decides to do things he promised to do
In Belgium we accept it that our governement sucks because we voted for them

I geuss thats just how we belgians do it

come on, lets go together Flemish and Wallons and take over the parliament and put normal people in those seats to solve all our problems

IMHO, you are developing skills right here that could enable you to do just that. That is a very hopeful thing I see developing from this game!

Actually, politcians should do a test and play this game and make a country a better place, if they succeed they pass, if not they fail and have to become garbagemen

What if they fail at being garbagemen?

They can go to the OCMW !

by **Theneka** 2010-11-05, 17:38

lol. Wrong attitude. They have to work in the salt mines^^

by Mikhail Alexander 2010-11-06, 02:22

Theneka wrote:lol. Wrong attitude. They have to work in the salt mines^^

You mean weed mines Razz

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