Resignation of my post of education

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 09:19

Today i resign my post of the education. Monsieur Guillotine, i know you have a lot of friends, i'm sure you will find a good opportunist to do that. I stay in the BTA, normal Wink

Good luck to you, to your team, and to our treasury !

You can remove me from the part of the government.

Good luck to every new ebelgians.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-09-07, 09:29

Why are you resigning?

by **Adrien de Gerlache** 2011-09-07, 09:34

My dearest Elynea,

I will still get into Congress, propose that anti-piracy act, so I can remove Jery and secretly claim you as my own!

muhahaha!!! *laughs madly*

ooops, was that out loud again ? Wink

by **shadowukcs** 2011-09-07, 09:36

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:
Why are you resigning?

my guess is that she doesn't like the fact that MG won the election

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 09:37

My job is finish that's all.

Adrien de Gerlache wrote:My dearest Elynea,

I will still get into Congress, propose that anti-piracy act, so I can remove Jery and secretly claim you as my own!

muhahaha!!! *laughs madly*

ooops, was that out loud again ?

I tried to do what you are doing in this moment Adrien, but sometimes, we must see the reality. You are a nice person Smile

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Shadow, you know so a lot of things in this game. I don't answer you, because you are so far Smile

by **mittekemuis** 2011-09-07, 10:15

I would have rather seen you train teach off your babies to follow in your footsteps Elynea. I hope you didn't make a hasty decision...

by **Olv007** 2011-09-07, 10:40

I understand you Ely and I would have probably done the same.

Good luck !

by **jamster737** 2011-09-07, 11:24

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 12:34

mittekemuis wrote: I would have rather seen you train teach off your babies to follow in your footsteps Elynea. I hope you didn't make a hasty decision...

hey Mittekemuis ! Since few moments, i was thinking about that. I need my liberty, and like you know, my purpose it's not to put trouble, i need calm Smile

But i'm always in the game for new players, always silent

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-09-07, 13:18

No one as good as you can replace you Sad

by **mittekemuis** 2011-09-07, 13:26

I know you will be there for all new players I was only thinking you could train one of your active new players how to become an eMama as well I love you

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 13:35

i'm an eMama yeah :p

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by **Konrad Neumann** 2011-09-07, 14:17

So since you are not MoE, then why should BTA get the 8000 BEF if it is independent of the MoE. Then this is indeed troubling for as Mitte said, it is your baby, now the structure is corrupted as the state is funding for your babies and you get a nice image among other things.

In the past you justify this for saying you are part of the MoE and that the BTA is training and part of the MoE, are you giving up the BTA or something?

by **jamster737** 2011-09-07, 14:19

Konrad Neumann wrote:So since you are not MoE, then why should BTA get the 8000 BEF if it is independent of the MoE. Then this is indeed troubling for as Mitte said, it is your baby, now the structure is corrupted as the state is funding for your babies and you get a nice image among other things.

In the past you justify this for saying you are part of the MoE and that the BTA is training and part of the MoE, are you giving up the BTA or something?

if elynea wants no part in BTA then she should not be in it (sorry but it had to be said) and we need to find someone else to lead BTA then when new leadership is in place funding can be looked at and maybe increased

by **Xgentis Lempereur** 2011-09-07, 14:23

Look like a rage quit to me.

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 14:29

I never received 8000 bef, you can check your treasury baby.

by **jamster737** 2011-09-07, 14:40

Elynea wrote:I never received 8000 bef, you can check your treasury baby.

well that is the last govs fault not ours blame ward

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 14:42

jamster737 wrote:
Elynea wrote:I never received 8000 bef, you can check your treasury baby.

well that is the last govs fault not ours blame ward

Then before to talk, think about your words. For the BTA, just the person who create the MU can say me if he wants i resign.

Best regards. I continue my job in the MU, with informations and my donate. HatOff

by **jamster737** 2011-09-07, 14:46

Elynea wrote:
jamster737 wrote:
Elynea wrote:I never received 8000 bef, you can check your treasury baby.

well that is the last govs fault not ours blame ward

Then before to talk, think about your words. For the BTA, just the person who create the MU can say me if he wants i resign.

Best regards. I continue my job in the MU, with informations and my donate.

Elynea i dont understand what you just said ? if you mean the person who created the MU can make you step down then i reply with the congress has the power to decide who is in charge of the BTA as it is gov funded

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 14:47

The government supported the MU? Who paid for the creation?

well well, go to find informations then.

by **jamster737** 2011-09-07, 14:48

Elynea wrote:The government supported the MU? Who paid for the creation?

well well, go to find informations then.

the goverment at the time didnt but the congress did hence why it was built

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 14:49

https://ebelgium.forumotion.net/t3130-a-military-unit-for-education

by **Xgentis Lempereur** 2011-09-07, 14:55

So what congress did fund it...

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 15:02

No, ThomasRed made a newpaper to ask the solidarity of all players in ebelgium. Sad hey ! Because this military is a nice project for eBelgium!

Because now, i see several players who were against to say, BTA is nice... And you want to have the control of the BTA ? If ThomasRed asks me to give the lead, i will make it, no problem.

Smile.

by **jamster737** 2011-09-07, 15:09

Thomas red does not own belgium he is just one person he is a good guy but he is not king it is a state run project you recive funding do you not ? and as for supporting it read my response yes i was skeptical but so where many others but i agreed it was a good idea

by **Konrad Neumann** 2011-09-07, 15:10

Elynea wrote:No, ThomasRed made a newpaper to ask the solidarity of all players in ebelgium. Sad hey ! Because this military is a nice project for eBelgium!

Because now, i see several players who were against to say, BTA is nice... And you want to have the control of the BTA ? If ThomasRed asks me to give the lead, i will make it, no problem.

Smile.

What does ThomasRed have to do with it? What does TD need to "ask you to give the lead" for you to to do anything? In then end, while you say we are for the control of the BTA, but so are you. You treat it as your personal baby and takes it personal if someone touches it. This relationship is no long healthy.

Also you need to identify if this is a personal MU/ project or that of the state. If it is of the state, then it is the MoD's responsibility to determine staff etc. If it is personal and independent of the state, then it should be treated as such and the state should cut routine funding and focused more on MoE.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-09-07, 15:48

It was decided that BTA was part of the BAF.
Elynea is still running it and will keep running it, it is her project

by **Konrad Neumann** 2011-09-07, 15:57

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:
It was decided that BTA was part of the BAF.
Elynea is still running it and will keep running it, it is her project

The MoD said it is ok, then it is ok with me Smile

by **Critically** 2011-09-07, 16:06

I want to confirm Fhaemita's statement that BTA is now a division of the Belgian Army, as the BAF is. She is the Commander of it Wink

About the budget of August: I received it and the State Secretary of Education, Elynea, wanted food, I bought with the money food and donated it to her.

by **Elynea** 2011-09-07, 16:08

For the 8000 bef i have the explanation : it was for this month.

You forget one thing The BTA is a project maybe not approved from the congress, but it is for all ebelgian's.

I see it's my project, no. It is a project for our country. No need to have the profit of the success, just the country.

i received food from critically, yes a lot, i gave to all members for one week and thanks for that Critically.

by **Konrad Neumann** 2011-09-07, 16:18

Elynea wrote:For the 8000 bef i have the explanation : it was for this month.

You forget one thing The BTA is a project maybe not approved from the congress, but it is for all ebelgian's.

I see it's my project, no. It is a project for our country. No need to have the profit of the success, just the country.

i received food from critically, yes a lot, i gave to all members for one week and thanks for that Critically.

So is it yours or is it the state? If it is yours then it really should not get special treatment and the state should spend more on the MoE.

by **Jofroi** 2011-09-07, 22:26

The BTA is a division of the BAF. As such, it is a "property" of the state and funded by it, but managed independantly from the state and that is done by the BAF.

By the way, I honestly don't think that MG is the reason that made Elynea leave^^.

by **jamster737** 2011-09-07, 22:35

Jofroi wrote:The BTA is a division of the BAF. As such, it is a "property" of the state and funded by it, but managed independantly from the state and that is done by the BAF.

By the way, I honestly don't think that MG is the reason that made Elynea leave^^.

then what is the point of the minister of education surely they should run it

by goopypants 2011-09-08, 03:31

The following is just my understanding, and may be incorrect, but throwing it up here because of Ward's in-game calling me "rude" in a Om-Nom-Nom Party Newsletter.

The BTA MU was paid for by donations, organized by TR.

https://ebelgium.forumotion.net/t3167-military-unit-for-education-rejected
and
http://www.erepbelgium.com/t3130p50-a-military-unit-for-education#60309

While the BTA MU was run by Elynea for the benefit of the State, it wasn't paid for by state funds. It could be viewed as her property, and while it would be appropriate for her to transfer control (if such a thing is possible) to someone in the Government, she doesn't have to.

The Food for New Citizens program and funding was set up by congress, and while the program and the BTA MU were used together, they were parallel projects that Elynea administered as head of the BTA MU and Minister of Education.

As Elynea resigned as head of the Ministry of Education, it would seem the Food for New Citizens program should be taken over by the new Minister.

Funds appropriated by Congress for the FfNC that were in Elynea's control and were unspent should be returned to the state, as she is no longer a part of the ministry in charge of the program. The next minister can use those funds as part of the FfNC program.

That's what I told Ward, since he indicated that 4000 BEF were unspent, had been returned by Elynea to Ward, and Ward wanted to transfer them back to the state.

Ward then pm'd that Elynea should get a pro-rated amount of the 4000 BEF, if not the whole thing.

I told him that if the money had been spent for the FfNC program, sure, but if it was unspent then keeping those funds that might constitute improper theft of state funds (or might be viewed as such).

So is my understanding that the BTA MU and the Food for New Citizens programs, while related, are separate, and if Elynea wants to stay as head of the BTA MU that's OK, but the Minister of Education should be in charge of the Food for New Citizens Program. That about right?

edit:
And this may be an opportunity for this program:
https://ebelgium.forumotion.net/t4106-a-new-mu

as in a new MU is created as part of the Ministry of Education / Food Program, and the "left out" middle strength folks or those who don't want to join the BAF can be in Elynea's MU.

by **Elynea** 2011-09-08, 09:53

it's right for me, you can see your alert, i will return the bef Wink

@goopypants : The BTA is a tool of informations, yeah, but different of the program of the education.

education : for all new players (newspapers, informations, whispers)
BTA : a tool to help new players to up their rank and experience (donates) A system of mentor, but not only for one person, but for a group.

We can have a person for the education and have a person who takes care about one group of new players.
It's not the same job ^^

I think now, it's clear.

by **xironn** 2011-09-08, 11:51

if you are not longer commander of BTA, a person with your strength shouldn't be in it. Waste of state funds and not the purpose of this MU.

by **Elynea** 2011-09-08, 12:25

xironn wrote:if you are not longer commander of BTA, a person with your strength shouldn't be in it. Waste of state funds and not the purpose of this MU.

I'm the lead of the BTA, you are maybe no happy, but it's the fact.

The bef is returned to Goopypants. I think it's clear.

It's incredible, you are not fair-play, because we make a nice project FOR THE COUNTRY, and it's not enough, you want all things... you are too greedy. You will not have the lead to give to your group of selfish political persons. I owe you absolutely nothing. I applause the new government !

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Resignation of my post of education 110908123540512546

I post i'm resign from the post of education, have i see thanks for your work ? No
But just where are our money ? If i'm stay in the BTA it's not for you guys, it's for newplayers who can say thanks.

Then elynea says to elynea : Thanks for your job since few months, good luck in game !

by **xironn** 2011-09-08, 13:17

Why do you return the money if you are still leader of the BTA then? It's money given by the state for the BTA. Use it for what it's supposed to be used.

Why am i not fair? I am one of the persons that helped getting more funds for the BTA. Instead of being such a dramaqueen just use the money for the common good it's meant for.

How am i greedy?

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-09-08, 13:28

xironn wrote:Why do you return the money if you are still leader of the BTA then? It's money given by the state for the BTA. Use it for what it's supposed to be used.

Why am i not fair? I am one of the persons that helped getting more funds for the BTA. Instead of being such a dramaqueen just use the money for the common good it's meant for.

How am i greedy?

by **Elynea** 2011-09-08, 13:32

xironn wrote:Why do you return the money if you are still leader of the BTA then? It's money given by the state for the BTA. Use it for what it's supposed to be used.

Why am i not fair? I am one of the persons that helped getting more funds for the BTA. Instead of being such a dramaqueen just use the money for the common good it's meant for.

How am i greedy?

You don't understand the deal? you are lead if you haven't money from government.

I returned the money, now you have nothing to say me ^^

Now i return in my elife. You are so a lot of work to do for this country.

by **xironn** 2011-09-08, 14:23

As far as i know, BTA is part of BAF. BAF is a military program sponsored by the government. This automatically makes BTA part of the government program. Therefor this decision should go through congress and is not solely up to the ministers to decide what should happen with the BTA. Therefor, a new debate will be opened in the congress section of this forum, on where the future with BTA lies.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-09-08, 14:33

new debate isn't necessary BTA is part of BAF, we just had a merger between BTA and BAF making them one army.

Congress should stop wanting to control everything especially BAF matters.
Even though BAF gets funding that is decided on by congress does not mean congress has to have a say or decide everything in BAF.

This is a BAF matter and at best something between BAF and the president.
Let them do their job, and congress do their job. Once again I will point out that congress deals with legislative matters and budget and cabinet with executive matters.

by **Elynea** 2011-09-08, 15:18

Indeed thanks to all players who say me good luck Wink

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