Financial Accounting

I think this topic deserves some discussion. There has been more than one issue lately with the tracking of our country's finances. Whether these cases involve actual fraud or just mismanagement is not for me to decide. However it brings out a serious flaw with our government.

I propose that a resolution be drafted that mandates all government funds no matter how small be accounted for in a double entry account that is posted publicly. This resolution would also mandate that all persons with access to any public org be accounted for and the passwords changed with any change in persons accessing the org.

Belgium needs transparency and accountability!

I fully support this plea!

nice idea, it's a real problem.

Absolutely. There can be no planning or accountability without proper information.

I will publish all the money in the state companies as soon as I can

That would be awesome!

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It's great to see such positive response. To clarify the system I propose we use, it will be a document (spreadsheet) that begins with the balance in said account. Every time money/gold is donated or spent it is recorded on the document the new balance is shown.

I will work on writing the resolution (unless someone else volunteers) sometime soon

Bruno, can you make a google form where we can just enter all this and all the transaction are recorded in a google spreadsheet directly?

im sorry but i cant dont now how i have to do it

bruno goethals wrote:im sorry but i cant dont now how i have to do it

When I have time (probably tomorrow) I'll make something

thanks im not that good at this things

https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHdmeW5FTXpDcGh5ekliSWxRZFBOLVE6MA

What do you think of this?

Apotygma wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHdmeW5FTXpDcGh5ekliSWxRZFBOLVE6MA

What do you think of this?

Yours is more appealing to the eye but cannot account for income as well. This is a more traditional double entry system that gives a current balance after each transaction. It is simple and easy to use, as long as it is updated regularly (daily)

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuPwZPasJZN7dHlfTDhIUXZsQ2p5VTQ3MDlyMmJfRVE&hl=en

This form took me 5 minutes to make and I will explain it to anyone who needs assistance. ANYONE in charge of government funds should keep a log like this and publish it once a week (4 times a term) At the end of an administration the doc is passed to the new minister and the passwords are changed. As I mentioned before I will work on drafting a resolution hopefully Manong will help as he is very good at these things.

If congress is in agreement we should not delay at moving forward. The starting point is a complete list of government accounts and orgs and all persons with access.

Can't access it, so if you could grant access to everyone =P

my apologies here is the shared link

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuPwZPasJZN7dHlfTDhIUXZsQ2p5VTQ3MDlyMmJfRVE&hl=en

Yeah basic accounting spreadsheet. Indeed

This is along the lines of what I had been asking for, so good

Apotygma wrote:Yeah basic accounting spreadsheet. Indeed

I don't feel that much more is needed. Belgium's finances are not complicated, it just needs to be recorded and made public regularly. All the data can from the individual orgs can be compiled into a master sheet that clearly shows Belgium's total income and expenditures so that congress can make an accurate budget.

The problem is of course enforcement. The finance minister needs to be on board with this and should make sure that all persons handling government funds account for them in this manner. Then it would be the finance minister's responsibility to publish the information weekly.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AqWcI4uKfVAudEdRa2w3LTN4WEUwYnNEb09ZS3hSZnc&hl=nl

im going to use this one for the bank

bruno goethals wrote:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AqWcI4uKfVAudEdRa2w3LTN4WEUwYnNEb09ZS3hSZnc&hl=nl

im going to use this one for the bank

Make it public. We can't see it.

can you try it now

is working

outGOING, not outcoing

btw, you might think about going to ERX with that bank.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad5WemNJeesYZHRwY2JyNF8xNDdqYzdxNTdkZA&hl=en

The finances of the state companies last week :

total : 971.06 bef in 1 week representing 15.53 gold at the current rate on the MM.
Total sales of houses : 507 BEF

So total loss : 464.06 BEF
Current stocks
1 Q1 house
474 Q1 guns
648 Q1 gifts


EDIT : this does not include the buying of RM... This is also more or less 15 gold per month.

Apotygma wrote:http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad5WemNJeesYZHRwY2JyNF8xNDdqYzdxNTdkZA&hl=en

The finances of the state companies last week :

total : 971.06 bef in 1 week representing 15.53 gold at the current rate on the MM.
Total sales of houses : 507 BEF

So total loss : 464.06 BEF
Current stocks
1 Q1 house
474 Q1 guns
648 Q1 gifts


EDIT : this does not include the buying of RM... This is also more or less 15 gold per month.

Looks great! (the doc not the numbers )

Why does Runs keep acting without congressional approval? I would have thought after his debacle with eNL he would get the hint and do his job the correct way.

Apotygma wrote:http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad5WemNJeesYZHRwY2JyNF8xNDdqYzdxNTdkZA&hl=en

The finances of the state companies last week :

total : 971.06 bef in 1 week representing 15.53 gold at the current rate on the MM.
Total sales of houses : 507 BEF

So total loss : 464.06 BEF
Current stocks
1 Q1 house
474 Q1 guns
648 Q1 gifts


EDIT : this does not include the buying of RM... This is also more or less 15 gold per month.

what would go under investments?
And don't leave out donations.

The thing is that you can't see donations and the exact amounts from last weeks =S, I'll try to think and not it down (or the next MoSC) so that I can add it.

Most of it is not taken out of the companies directly but out of the org. So nothing is really hidden. Sorry that I can't provide the exact amounts right now.

And what do you mean by "Investments"?

It's a subcategory under income in the spreadsheet.

ERX shares?

- What are the names of the state companies? Or where can I find that info? Be as exhaustive as possible.

Thanks in advance

eBe State Companies - http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/2884651

Thanks brotha!