RW Flanders Day 1572 / RW Wallonia

Night RW are more easy to win, but it's not achieved without work and someone managing the contacts and organizing the damages...

However, eNL was sleeping, and they seems now to be awake...



The next RW in Wallonia will be more difficult, we wont be able to count on our venezuelian friends who are now sleeping and did around 3.5m dmg in Flanders, and it is now day time...

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We still have two rounds to win ! It's time to wake up ! And it will be awesome if we could count on the BAF to deliver some damages !

Don't count on me I have no energy bars or bazookas

eNL is now pushing hard !

Even if i wanted to help, i couldn't because i don't have Q6 guns to supply... It seems we have 500 q6 guns which wait on a org or on a personal account, but nobody from the MoD department is online...



:-/

Thank you everyone, good luck and good bye...

ThomasRED wrote:eNL is now pushing hard !

Even if i wanted to help, i couldn't because i don't have Q6 guns to supply... It seems we have 500 q6 guns which wait on a org or on a personal account, but nobody from the MoD department is online...



:-/

That was some s*** damage I had that moment

The RW started yesterday... No weaps were available for fighters, and not a single guy from the Gov managed the RW on IRC... I took care of the night, calling for help, managing the damages, checking the bar with our friends from FAN, then it's the morning, still no one... It's time to push, but we don't have fighters... We don't have soldiers neither, while before BAF was doing 7m dmg, i didnt saw a single BAF soldier except Olv who did 400k when the bar was already over 60%... While NL is calling for mercenaries, we are not able to do it, because no one from the gov is online, no one have access to the guns reserves... We only see people who say : ha it's 6-0 we did great... :-x I know IRL is important but if people here want to win war, you need to do what it takes to win it ! If not stop crying all around free eBE while doing nothing, and be prepared to be occupied... I'm sick to see that all efforts made to win 6 rounds could be nullified because we haven't been able to push during the 7th round !

TR has a point, our communication and organisation currently is crap. Is there even organisation?
eNL is giving out weapons to win and eBE is doing absolutely nothing.
This way Belgium will never get on the map before congress elections.

agreed with TR and FM

Spoiler:

No one to manage the war, no one to give access to guns reserve, no one to distribute weapons, no one to search fighters, no one to organize our damages ! Results : hours of voluntary works wasted, lack of respect towards the foreign fighters who helped, and citizens blowing away their ressources (rl life money, gold, bazookas, nrj bars, for nothing !)...

Is there only a plan ? We don't even know...

Edit : Critically, a non goverment member, is now doing the supplies, with private funds and private guns... That was maybe the plan... Thanks Critically... Even if i think it's too late... It was the 7th round we had to won... Now it's only more wasted ressources... :-/ But it good to see some people are ready to move for their country !

A RW ask to be prepared, its not : ah 10 random guys started a rw, let's free wallonia ! Friends need to be pm'ed, foreign MU need to be contacted, damages need to be planned, suppliers need to make a schedule of when they are online to be sure someone is always there...

Also DonMatteo is currently supplying people in order to win a mini-battle

As vMoFA, i have contacted some of CP i contacted a few days ago to see if they can give us some help to win the 2 mini's remaining ...

I can't do a lot more...

NLSP wrote:Also DonMatteo is currently supplying people in order to win a mini-battle

I added DonMatteo and Critically channels in the topic on #mercenaries

And that's it, more than 8m dmg wasted in this round while we needed only 1 to win the previous one and to lead 7-0, forcing NL to resign...



But it was a nice round, citizens had fun i guess, some have took the lead to organize the resistance a little bit better, etc...

I saw GoopyPants fight several times

I had muchos funnos - check!

Too bad you didnt had fights for the previous round but that you decided to "waste" 4m dmg 20min later... But it's also part of the "learning" ! War mechanism, war strategies, etc... What it takes is someone to give orders, and it what missed today ! Anyway, congrats for your BH !

And for the future :

Spoiler:

Backwards wrote:I saw GoopyPants fight several times

I had muchos funnos - check!

Congratz Backwards

I'm at least happy that our MoD logged in finally so he could take care of liberating Flanders from the evil Dutch !!

GO TO #eBe_War on RIZON to get supplies !!

Alright guys, I have pushed real hard last night and this morning when eNL was using the Lazokracy guys (mercenary MU paid with Gold per million damage).

I log on again this afternoon to find the region freed, thanks Critically and MoD for finishing up the work ThomasRED put in starting last night.

I also wake up to a new NE and an MoD team that lets it slide because oh noes eNL is stronger...
I would hope that the plan is not to just get wiped again. Wake up and start signing MPP, liberate warfunds and contact Dutch congress members, we're in a real war and we need to show the dutch that we're not that easy to push around.

Nohjis wrote:Alright guys, I have pushed real hard last night and this morning when eNL was using the Lazokracy guys (mercenary MU paid with Gold per million damage).

I log on again this afternoon to find the region freed, thanks Critically and MoD for finishing up the work ThomasRED put in starting last night.

I also wake up to a new NE and an MoD team that lets it slide because oh noes eNL is stronger...
I would hope that the plan is not to just get wiped again. Wake up and start signing MPP, liberate warfunds and contact Dutch congress members, we're in a real war and we need to show the dutch that we're not that easy to push around.

eNL is signing more MPP's then we do, so we never beat them on the battlefield when mpp's can fight.
and untill i know the outcome of the NE vote, it's waste of money/bazookas/energy bars when we give it all in wallonia.

tecuvo wrote:

Nohjis wrote:Alright guys, I have pushed real hard last night and this morning when eNL was using the Lazokracy guys (mercenary MU paid with Gold per million damage).

I log on again this afternoon to find the region freed, thanks Critically and MoD for finishing up the work ThomasRED put in starting last night.

I also wake up to a new NE and an MoD team that lets it slide because oh noes eNL is stronger...
I would hope that the plan is not to just get wiped again. Wake up and start signing MPP, liberate warfunds and contact Dutch congress members, we're in a real war and we need to show the dutch that we're not that easy to push around.

eNL is signing more MPP's then we do, so we never beat them on the battlefield when mpp's can fight.
and untill i know the outcome of the NE vote, it's waste of money/bazookas/energy bars when we give it all in wallonia.

eNL has 3 MPP less since start of the war. We got 3 extra right now so it's 14-7 instead of 17-4. I suppose you can call that signing a lot more then we do... We have number 8 on the way and can propose number 9, eNL has number 15 on the way and can propose number 16 but hasn't either and lord knows they have far easier access to Eden MPPs then we do if they really wanted to. Further you can also note that the last regular war wasn't that easy for eNL either.

The previous similar situation we signed 7 ONE MPPs in two days. It's just a question of each putting in the effort needed in my opinion.

I think the problem is that we want TEDEN MPPs so we don't seem Pro-ONE. We probably could get a ton of ONE MPPs if we wanted, though. It could become the end of our neutrality though if anything goes wrong.

Whine, whine, moan, moan, bitch, bitch. complain!

lets have our own internal civil war and forget about fighting eNL.

It's been fun guys, but I don't need this stress in my life.

It's just a friggin game after all!!

Peace out!!

Article about the RW

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/thanks-for-all-your-help-government-red--1985159/1/20

bri2048 wrote:Whine, whine, moan, moan, bitch, bitch. complain!

lets have our own internal civil war and forget about fighting eNL.

It's been fun guys, but I don't need this stress in my life.

It's just a friggin game after all!!

Peace out!!

What are you talking about?

wow.
The MoD team has one less man onboard.

I don't see much of a civil war here.

I've been in a nation where a President stole the treasury.
That very President would be supported by the public several months later and would win the CP election.
That man several pp elections would pto's the country's Top Politcal Parties.

That Country is eCanada. Over the past 2 years 10,000 gold has been stolen a boat load of CAD.

To my knowledge eBelgium has yet to experience a major theft. eCanada has had over 6 major thefts.

To me. eBelgium is doing pretty dam good man. And were no where close to experiencing a civil war.

Karakoran wrote:I think the problem is that we want TEDEN MPPs so we don't seem Pro-ONE. We probably could get a ton of ONE MPPs if we wanted, though. It could become the end of our neutrality though if anything goes wrong.

I don't think it's proper time to care about our neutrality because being wiped out is the worst thing here. So let's liberate the regions first and then think how to prove people we are neutral.

Ok, civil war may be strong. Just tired of the constant 'This Government Sucks!!' that is showing all over the forums atm. If you folks don't see it, then you must not be reading the same posts I am.

What we don't see is a clear plan from the Government, or a good Goverment's communication. Sorry to expect the better from our Goverment, and not the worst. If you're happy wit the job done by the Government currently, then i'm sorry but we don't have the same standards for eBelgium ! We want the best for our country ! At the time we speak, the Government didn't released a single article on Belgium.Info for example, the cabinet have not been presented, etc...

Oleksandr wrote:

Karakoran wrote:I think the problem is that we want TEDEN MPPs so we don't seem Pro-ONE. We probably could get a ton of ONE MPPs if we wanted, though. It could become the end of our neutrality though if anything goes wrong.

I don't think it's proper time to care about our neutrality because being wiped out is the worst thing here. So let's liberate the regions first and then think how to prove people we are neutral.

Which means if signing ONE MPP'S it's what it takes, then do it!!! What other option we have? If TEDEN pushes us to do that, by not wanting to sign (most of them - beeing told not to do it if I understood corectly).

They can always say we are Pro-ONE, when, at the beginning of the war we had 2 ONE an 4 TEDEN MPP'S!!!!!! They can always lie.

Actualy it's like in real life, the ones having power try to impose their will and way of seeing things.

But let's not just move aside like that!!!!

If ONE help is what we need, so be it. Until we free ourselves, from my part, we can sign MPP with all ONE countries.

After, we can just not resign to stay neutral again.

That's all, very easy, and true, whatever TEDEN says.

So we just need to get organised. WHO STEPS UP TO SAY: I know what needs to be done, I'm experienced and really think I can do this, so let me do it and guide you guys (that can be an individual, or a team).

I see experienced guys giving great advice, and saying the governement dosen't do anything. Might be true, I'm in the governement (was asked to be and I accepted, but I said from the beginning that if a bettre person is up for it, no problem for me), did my task I was asigned to (contact TEDEN CP's with friendly mesages), and will try to do more - convine some of them of unfunded PRO-ONE state they make us look and of the unfair Dutch agression. I agree that others in the governement don't maybe do enough.

But it is kind of a crisis, war time, things should change, and we should have a war governement, with experienced guys to lead. In peace time it was maybe not a bad ideea to let younger guys (like me) be in the governement, learn, etc. But in war time?

I feel guys like Thomas RED, Nohjis, NLSP, Jofroi, Olv 007, MaryamQ, Critticaly, and other experienced ones should step up, and take official governement and coordination war seats!

I know some of them are already (luckily) doing a lot, unofficialy, but it would be maybe so much easier if it was official... And I know some of them don't have the time needed maybe, don't blame them, but it's not fair blaming the young, unexperienced ones (that probably need 4, 5, 6 times more time to do the same job they would do, and probably worse then them ).

As a young and loyal Belgian Citizen, who really tries to do his best, I would really like some of those people to step up for eBelgium in a "crisis/war" time like that. (officialy).

After the crisis, we can go back to a younger governement

I'd like to point out something:

We are currently making like 80K BEF/Day, or +- 50 gold. I'd bet that with 50 gold spend on each campaign (+- 1000 Q6 weapons! or 30M damage at least) we could defeat NL without much problems.

We are currently making like 60 k bef a day and have some expenses too. And how many NLG do you think NL is making a day ? They have millions NLG in their treasury, and it's how they won some rounds today... As i said, this war a is a joke, it's not a war between NL and BE, it's a war between mercenaries paid by NL and BE...

Maybe, but if we make them bust all their cash, they might stop .

thats what we need to tell them indeed, to put pressure in the negotiations for peace, that this war is leading no where and will both cost us huge expenses... but for that we need negotiations i guess...

Johny English A wrote:
I see experienced guys giving great advice, and saying the governement dosen't do anything. Might be true, I'm in the governement (was asked to be and I accepted, but I said from the beginning that if a bettre person is up for it, no problem for me), did my task I was asigned to (contact TEDEN CP's with friendly mesages), and will try to do more - convine some of them of unfunded PRO-ONE state they make us look and of the unfair Dutch agression. I agree that others in the governement don't maybe do enough.

But it is kind of a crisis, war time, things should change, and we should have a war governement, with experienced guys to lead. In peace time it was maybe not a bad ideea to let younger guys (like me) be in the governement, learn, etc. But in war time?

I feel guys like Thomas RED, Nohjis, NLSP, Jofroi, Olv 007, MaryamQ, Critticaly, and other experienced ones should step up, and take official governement and coordination war seats!

I know some of them are already (luckily) doing a lot, unofficialy, but it would be maybe so much easier if it was official... And I know some of them don't have the time needed maybe, don't blame them, but it's not fair blaming the young, unexperienced ones (that probably need 4, 5, 6 times more time to do the same job they would do, and probably worse then them ).

As a young and loyal Belgian Citizen, who really tries to do his best, I would really like some of those people to step up for eBelgium in a "crisis/war" time like that. (officialy).

After the crisis, we can go back to a younger governement

First of all, nice post with a lot of truth!

However like you indeed say, it are the unofficial ones who are currently doing the most and while it would help to make the unofficial ones make official ones (that way they have at least access to the orgs, etc.), this isn't the whole story.
There is no blaming for other people that they are inexperienced and do bad things (and doing so, would indeed be unfair), there is however the fair and justified critic that there is not an organized attempt from them. In the last hour(s) of the flanders RW, there were MoD people online and they did at that time try their best, but there were a lot of times were none of them could be seen.

Besides not trying, there have decisions to be made. Yesterday, I suddenly made a call that maybe this mini-battle could be won, I asked the people online to start hitting again, got the FAN to make some nice damages and Critically started supplying again. However, I do not have any authority (even while 2 peopled pm'd me asking if I was the belgian CP) to actual make such call and this should have been made by a member of the MoD team or CP. We won that mini-battle, but even then, I don't have any authority to make those decisions.

While there is the general idea, lets get wiped and rw back, we need some more details and decisions needs to be made.
Do we still supply? What about the mpp's? Shouldn't we like TR suggested involve other countries?
This and many more questions have to be asked and answered.
This should be done by the CP or the ones he chose as vCP or MoD or uMoD, while this could take some time to make these DIFFICULT decisions, they should indicate that they are full-time busy with it and show the progress they are making.
Yes, there is a chance that a plan doesn't have any success, but it is better then no plan

Making suddenly a bunch of the mentioned people officially in charge can be part of the solution, but it isn't the solution. Besides the fact this is not enough, think about that
Some don't have the time
Some are sick to be expected/turn out to be one of the few people helping out, to see that afterwards there is no appreciation or their efforts are undone by people who don't want to listen/don't want to do anything
Some are to ashamed to ask friends to help us out again, while these same friends can read in our forum how people falsely claim they haven't done anything in the past.
Some have other problems or a combination of all what is mentioned.

I was happy to help out, with the little bit I did, but my free sunday is over and while I planned to spend that one in my room and don't do anything, I will not spend time on this game, if I have planned to work, doing trips or something else during that time.

or you can all appoint me, as Lord Chancellor and Divine Leader of eBelgium with supreme authority over anything for my whole life, and I will make some plan...

I feel guys like Thomas RED, Nohjis, NLSP, Jofroi, Olv 007, MaryamQ, Critticaly, and other experienced ones should step up, and take official governement and coordination war seats!

I know some of them are already (luckily) doing a lot, unofficialy, but it would be maybe so much easier if it was official... And I know some of them don't have the time needed maybe, don't blame them, but it's not fair blaming the young, unexperienced ones (that probably need 4, 5, 6 times more time to do the same job they would do, and probably worse then them Smile ).

Johny, I understand your frustration, and you make a good point, but let me explain my point of view on this. Understand that I am speaking only for myself, not for the others you mentioned. First off, yes, I am more experienced than a lot of you, but you seriously don't want me involved in coordinating defense or foreign affairs. Yes, I have been CP twice, but both times I was elected as an alternative, neutral candidate and a peacekeeper within the community. I do not have much interest or experience in foreign affairs, and when I was CP I relied heavily on people who were better at it than I was or wanted to be. My interest and abilities lie within the community. I am also not highly skilled in a lot of the computer things that seem natural to some of you who are younger than I am in RL. However, our country is in a crisis, and we need leadership. If I am critical, it is not a personal thing, and it is not aimed at the younger members of government. We need a plan, and we need it clearly communicated, and it has to come from the top.

Some of the people you name have spent a lot of time, energy, and personal resources on this war. I used all my bazookas and most of my energy bars to keep the wall over 50% at the end of a mini today, knowing that it would mean I would have to wait still longer for my first ever BH. I gave food and tanks to a couple of younger players from my own stores, because they wanted to fight and weren't strong enough to get the supplies handed out officially. ThomasRed, NLSP, Nohjis and Critically have all spent time trying to coordinate efforts and recruit help, voluntarily, and using their own resources at times, as well. I am sure there may be others who have also helped, but these are the ones I know about. When I see the Dutch are starting another NE against us, that they are signing MPPs faster than we are, and that we still don't have a clearly communicated, unified plan, yes, I am frustrated. All this time and effort we have put in has been wasted, and for what? So we can do the same things over again - well actually, no I can't, because I have used my resources already.

I know you and djony are doing your jobs. I see other younger members of our government trying to do theirs, but they need direction. And where is BAF? In previous wars, we could have counted on them for focused help, but now, who knows what they are doing?

I can't speak for the others you mentioned, but I am tired. I have been CP, then MoHA twice, and now again, although I will probably resign that position to take another I would prefer to have and which I gave up to become CP. We all have served and worked hard, and we all have stuff going on in RL, as much or more than many others who use RL as a reason not to be here when needed. I'm not saying RL doesn't come first, but maybe we'd like to spend some time on that, as much as others here. Even if that weren't true, what would you think if we just seized control of the government? Would such a coup really be the best thing for eBe, or would it just lead to more infighting and hurt our community? I don't want to do that to us, and I don't think most of the others do, either. Sorry, Johny, but help needs to come from some other place.

we'll win wallonia, with only 2 eBe citizens doing more then 500k damage, and 4 citizens in a top 5.

eNL isn't fighting because they think they'll beat us again with their MPP's.
I don't know if we're capable of winning those battles, if we are, we just have to sign a few mpp's more, so eNL won't NE us again.

If we're not, then it's ridiculous to spend so much money on mercs and supplies. Then i think we better be occupied untill we have enough mpp's.

To defend myself: I've been online from 6 in the morning till 8h30 (belgian time) and after that from 11h00 till 12h30 and 16h00 till 18h00 (approximately). I'm sorry, but real life has priority on erep life, and if I want to enjoy the sun outside, then I'll do that.
We are with 5 in the MoD-team, i gave everyone part of the supplies so we could all 5 distribute them, I was the only 1 who did it.

I would also like to thank critically, because he did a fantastic job yesterday!

I've a question: Do we have any plan that spend 50K BEF/day?

If not we should use it to fight and it won't be a waste.