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I don't know what is going on and there is no sign of this on the eNL public forum. I have asked about it in our embassy over there, we shall see what the response is. I'm hoping Garmr is acting independently...

I was told to ask my own MoFA or CP..... this is my face as an uninformed ambassador, add egg --->

I'm as ignorant in this matter as you.

Lily? Goopy? I'm would like to know, NLSP is already shouting for Poland to come kick eNL off of the playground. Is this another TW?

We can kick them ourselves.

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Dutch MoFA: Well if we wanted to do it, now was the only chance
Dutch MoFA: if the vote wasn't started it was all lost beforehand

Basically, I was in discussions with the Netherlands for a Training War at the time, and proposed it to the Dutch MoFA. When Goopy tried to contact the Dutch CP to finalise it, he chatted with the Germans, and hammered out a deal there and then.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-cp-training-war-announcement-1674-2064552/1/20



The Dutch NE is a backup plan to the German one, and can be rejected at the last minute if necessary by the Dutch CP as there is no congress.

If you have anymore questions, just PM me. I would of replied earlier, but had to do some printscreens. o7

I would have believed you without them dear
Glad to hear this is all friendly.

Gibberish45 wrote:I would have believed you without them dear
Glad to hear this is all friendly.

Using print screens makes it a lot easier to explain to you! As you know exactly what has happened, instead of me saying it in words

Gibberish45 wrote:Lily? Goopy? I'm would like to know, NLSP is already shouting for Poland to come kick eNL off of the playground. Is this another TW?

Well NLSP is a nub. He should know that Poland is busy and does not give a crap about eBE. Also I find it funny that a lot of Belgians are pro-ONE. Why ask the Dutch or the Germans for help? Why not ask your ONE friends like UK or Poland to help you in your Anti PTO attempts? Why not PTO LCC and stop their reign of terror already.

As lily said, all pre arranged

so both TW with Germany and The Netherlands private decisions?
No congress involved -> not really democratic
Ambassador not informed -> you mock with our own people

I hope both law proposals will be rejected. Wait until after the Congress elections and consulting the Congress.

Thank you!

See that + besides Misanthropist's post?

Click it. You know you want to.

Misanthropist wrote:so both TW with Germany and The Netherlands private decisions?
No congress involved -> not really democratic
Ambassador not informed -> you mock with our own people

I hope both law proposals will be rejected. Wait until after the Congress elections and consulting the Congress.

Thank you!

You actually have to create a plan, before congress discusses it, yes? Otherwise, it won't be properly prepared and created. And it is democratic, considering the people want a Training War, it would be undemocratic to ignore their wishes.

I should of maybe updated the ambassador a little bit earlier so that is my mistake, but the fact is talking to the Dutch happened last night, we've been busy trying to propose a plan in regard to a training war, plus sorting out the MPP list mess we've had to deal with, and I've answered his question fairly quickly.

The Dutch plan

and you need to show it to congress before a vote is started, german NE: 2hours before the vote a post was made
NL declares NE on us with support of the gov: no post was made

Now the government just decided on their own, we need to have a TW to interfere with congress elections and if congress doesn't allow for it, just make sure that another country invade us, so we have what we want.

Congress should approve a TW and if congress votes NO on one, cause they don't accept the timing, you don't have to force it upon congress!

NLSP wrote:and you need to show it to congress before a vote is started, german NE: 2hours before the vote a post was made
NL declares NE on us with support of the gov: no post was made

Now the government just decided on their own, we need to have a TW to interfere with congress elections and if congress doesn't allow for it, just make sure that another country invade us, so we have what we want.

Congress should approve a TW and if congress votes NO on one, cause they don't accept the timing, you don't have to force it upon congress!

Your concerns are duly noted.

Lily Jayne Summers wrote:
The Dutch NE is a backup plan to the German one, and can be rejected at the last minute if necessary by the Dutch CP as there is no congress.

Right! The Dutchies have no congress. But why?
Because Belgium did a training war with Hungary, and Hungary used it to conquer and invade Southern Netherlands! That's the point!

Hungary partially cheated Belgium, because they used the TW for offensive puroposes, and now Dutchies and Germans are cheating us again, but entirely!

Dutchies want to take revenge, and simply want Belgians not to have their congress! And we are going well to wipe out ourselves with this plan!

I think it's better if I save my bazookas for the RW that will be fought in August-Semptember, when Poland, Uk or another ONE country will decide that also stupids deserve a congress....

NLSP wrote:and you need to show it to congress before a vote is started, german NE: 2hours before the vote a post was made
NL declares NE on us with support of the gov: no post was made

Now the government just decided on their own, we need to have a TW to interfere with congress elections and if congress doesn't allow for it, just make sure that another country invade us, so we have what we want.

Congress should approve a TW and if congress votes NO on one, cause they don't accept the timing, you don't have to force it upon congress!

Wrong, in cases of foreign policies like this, the CP has the right to do this without congress. You used loaded language as this is part of anti PTO efforts. Stop being blinded to your hated of TEDEN and eNL and start being realistic and pragmatic. Your ONE friends are no friends at all and your only real chance is NL and Germany now. Also eBE needs to do something with LCC. I believe the government should coordinate with the PP of the major parties to PTO and destroy LCC once and for all. Our anti PTO is buying you time but this is not the solution. Ending LCC and limiting the power of Wim will bring the end to his constant violations.

Konrad Neumann wrote:Your ONE friends are no friends at all and your only real chance is NL and Germany now. I believe the government should coordinate with the PP of the major parties to PTO and destroy LCC once and for all.

+1 and immediately too

Gibberish45 wrote:

Konrad Neumann wrote:Your ONE friends are no friends at all and your only real chance is NL and Germany now. I believe the government should coordinate with the PP of the major parties to PTO and destroy LCC once and for all.

+1 and immediately too

+2 Agreed also.

Belgium needs to be united, not divided on this issue.

First of all: LCC doesn't need to be destroyed
Second of all: tell the gov that it should coordinate. As PP of RB I stated already that I was open to help with a coordinated effort, I haven't seen any coordination from the gov, just the gov calling shots without consulting the parties.

NLSP wrote:First of all: LCC doesn't need to be destroyed
Second of all: tell the gov that it should coordinate. As PP of RB I stated already that I was open to help with a coordinated effort, I haven't seen any coordination from the gov, just the gov calling shots without consulting the parties.

eBE cannot handle the LCC. All I see are articles that bash them and nothing more. If they care about that, they would of stop long time ago. The LCC does not play the the standard norms of the community. They are either helping or helped PTO groups or they themselves are the PTO group. They continue to accept CS to unknown and potentially hostile people. The more they let in, the weaker the eBE state is. This is time to put your ego aside. Land regions are not important. You can survive with no lands since you still control the congress and government. The state moves on. PTO will kill of the state and you will lose your sovereignty.

So cut the crap! Stop whining about boo hoo all I see are the gov calling the shots etc. There is something a lot more at stake than your ego etc. If you do not stop the LCC now, there is no Belgium for eBelgiums in a months time. If you love eBE and wants it to be independent and sovereign, LCC needs to be crushed and their leaders out of commission in politics especially congress.

And how would you do that?

Priestland wrote:And how would you do that?

PTO their party and keep ptoing all future parties that they make in the future if they choose so. When they have no party, block them from congress. Have the PP get some blockers and fill in the extra congress slots so this will oust LCC from congress.

Konrad Neumann wrote:

Priestland wrote:And how would you do that?

PTO their party and keep ptoing all future parties that they make in the future if they choose so. When they have no party, block them from congress. Have the PP get some blockers and fill in the extra congress slots so this will oust LCC from congress.

I'm with you Konrad but that is a tall order. We haven't got the manpower to run such a campaign, certainly not in time for this election.

We do have it, but it's on the 15.

The only problem is that in eBelgium the PP hasn't got much power, excepted for cp electiosn.

Jofroi wrote:We do have it, but it's on the 15.

The only problem is that in eBelgium the PP hasn't got much power, excepted for cp electiosn.

That gives you 1/2 a month to plan and coordinate...

I think Konrad is right on this one...

Sounds pretty dangerous, I won't say that the LCC is good for eBe but if you PTO them out of existence, you will prove some things they are blaming you for.

Although you PTO them for an important and 'noble' reason (keeping eBe alive) this might backfire.

Sicarii wrote:Sounds pretty dangerous, I won't say that the LCC is good for eBe but if you PTO them out of existence, you will prove some things they are blaming you for.

Although you PTO them for an important and 'noble' reason (keeping eBe alive) this might backfire.

Better than sitting here and do nothing. Also if eBE is to do it, make sure it is overkill when they PTO them.

Having a hot time lately Konrad?

Yes, there is a heat wave in my state. 100 F+ that is around the 40 C range.

Joining BE could be an option then.

Olv007 wrote:Joining BE could be an option then.

To be honest, I am really considering moving to eBEer again. I understand your system now and I was arrogant as well. If I do come, I will have fun with your LCC problems

You are always welcome in eBe, as well in BE (where it's raining all the time)

Olv007 wrote:You are always welcome in eBe, as well in BE (where it's raining all the time)

Yup. Rain + warm temperatures... enjoy.