decisions

by **mittekemuis** 2012-07-30, 12:57

Congress does it still exist?
Q7 companies for the Belgian army...what a shame we didn't act!
Newspaper articles with information from the government?
What about our finances?
...
...

Decisions are there to be made and act upon...just saying...

by **MaryamQ** 2012-07-30, 13:01

I don't often say +1, but +1.

by **boer jan** 2012-07-30, 13:24

I was too late to put it in congress so tried with help of other BNA members to do something, but time goes too fast and many players are not much online with the holidays so the event past by without result

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2012-07-30, 14:35

Belgium's activity level just sucks Suspect

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-30, 14:38

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:Belgium's activity level just sucks

That's generally what happens when you ban (me) or try to kick people out (LCC)

Here's an article I wrote on your current problems

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/from-one-thief-to-another-thiefred-2092528/1/20#comments

tl;dr version. You're broke, it's TR's fault

by **tommot** 2012-07-30, 15:33

He realy can't pass on a chance to twist everything around him.

On mitte's words: Yes, there seems to be very low activity when it comes to congress and dirrectly related items(despite the hollidays) and it seems that any activity there is goes unanswered as if no one cares.

by **Helviro** 2012-07-30, 16:21

If anyone has questions about finances, here are 2 documents:

OVerview of the BYS/BYS2 program: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApqbJ0t3v5g8dEhsc0MzckNpNTBiZGE5NlluTENCMGc#gid=2

Belgian accounting sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnsySFfyjbiJdGVHc0czQWdhTUpvS192VFIzVmRsTEE#gid=0

by **Jofroi** 2012-07-30, 17:08

I guess that eBelgium is in 2 clicking mode for some times, excepted a couple of players.

by **Viridi** 2012-07-30, 17:36

Nobody wants to fix our immigration issue. Most congress this term either don't care or are too negative.

by **NLSP** 2012-07-30, 18:00

well, I'm going to give it another try, but I am pretty sure how it will end ....

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-30, 18:24

seeing as some moderator deleted my article (I wonder who did that... not)

From one thief ... to another, ThiefRed

Dear ThiefRed, Dear eBelgians

The RL belgians here know this for longer than now, RL belgium isn't far away from bankrupt. We have a government debt of around 100% of our GDP (give or take a few %'s depending on the source, not that it matters much)

Until the last government we brought our dept back to 90% but with the election of that retarded frenchspeaking pig we have in the Wetstraat/rue de la Roi 16 (the house of our prime minister. Something like the white house but a kazillion times smaller), our debt has gone up with 10% again.

To those who do not know what this means in practice: simply put a debt of 100% of our GDP means that if every citizen, company or organisation gives every penny he or she earns in 1 year, to the state, we would be able to get rid of our debt. So unless everyone stops eating, drinking, shtting or consuming anything for a whole year, we're fucked.

But enough about the despicable state of RL Belgium and economics, lets look at eBelgium

I invite everyone to have a look at the accountancy sheet of eBelgium which can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnsySFfyjbiJdGVHc0czQWdhTUpvS192VFIzVmRsTEE#gid=0

3 months ago our treasury contained 2100 gold. This gold was the result of 3 years (!!!) of careful saving, watching after every penny and not giving in to useless projects or spending it all on a huge amount of MPP's to give us a false sense of importance in eWorld, unlike many other smaller nations who fell for this trap.

All was going well...

Until ThiefRed, a completely fictional character in eBE, (we're not pointing any fingers at anyone here. any resemblances with real eBE characters are unintentional and purely coincidence), like the African dictator he is, came up with a new idea: BYS! and later BYS²... and later increased para spending!

What was this BYS and BYS²? They where programs to boost the strenght of citizens. ThiefRed, trained by years of idiocy in the PS (parti socialise), had seen that nothing is more cool that spending your entire treasury, just like IRL.

So he implanted BYS and got it passed. The few people who did object that this might be costly where quickly silenced by ThiefRed when he presented them with his Mobutu-isque economics (I'm not joking, Mobutu actually did the same) and told them that we where making 100k BEF a day anyway! Plenty of money to go around and we'd even be making profits here! What ThiefRed conveniently forgot to mention is that when your national currency is so devaluated that its worth less than toilet paper, you can make it look like you have giant profits, but you actually hold nothing of value.

Those who remember Zaire will remember the Zairese lira, where bills of 10 million lira where common but wheren't enough to even buy you a bread.

ThiefRed fooled the eBelgian population with that very same trick. Making them believe that they made fortunes when in reality they where making breadcrumbs.

Perhaps it was his great fashion sense that put the public in a state of awe...

... after all, a leopard hat like that is pretty pimp.

Time passed by and lets look at the financial sheet again and see how we progressed

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnsySFfyjbiJdGVHc0czQWdhTUpvS192VFIzVmRsTEE#gid=0

those who look at the current content of our treasury see that we have a mere 500 gold left !!!!!!!!!!!

In other words, we spend in 3 months, what took us 3 years to collect. You spend 76% of your treasury in 3 months time!!

At this current rate we are 1,5 months away from bankruptcy and in the event of an attack we have no money left to fund tanks who could secure regions on critical moments (like congress elections to ensure that we have a congress), no money left for backups, no money left to modernize our army to Q7, no money left to fall back on in case admins implant new changes,... we have nothing, nada, nichts, rien, ingenting, njente, ... squat

All our money is, just like Clark Gable and Vievien Leigh in their best movie of all time, .... Gone with the wind! (if you don't know the movie, rent it, watch it with your gf. fucky-fucky guaranteed. It's like the "PS I love you" for the previous generation)

left to right: TR, the Belgian public

Dear people of Belgium, I hate to be the one who tells you this, but you got screwed over by a guy who knows nothing about economics and got tricked into believing you where making fortunes. Now, you are the Greece of eWorld. Well done!

What options do you have now? Well, if your congress would come out of its hibernation and wake the fuck up, you'd realise that you only have 1 real option: Abolish BYS, BYS² and the para funding completely, or find yourself without money in the very near future.

Oh and good job banning all the people who actually have some knowledge of economics in this game or who offer a critical voice on the forum. This is the result of what that leads to.

As always, loves and kissis

Shadowukcs
A banned economist

"Stealing 80k BEF makes you a thief, stealing 1600 gold makes you a forum admin"

NOTE: All characters in this purely fictional story are purely fictional. People's who's name or initials resembles those of "ThiefRed" should not feel addressed in any way. Any resemblance is purely fictional and can be considered a coincidence.

[u]

by **Helviro** 2012-07-30, 19:18

you didn't get a chance to copy the comments as well did you?

Still, my question remains to you shad, if the state shouldn't invest in the military nor the citizens, what is a state usefull for?

I don't want ebelgium to stack up funds, cauz nething else is usefull: too small, no exposure, whatever I want eBelgium to do something good for eBelgians.

in one of the comments you mentioned other purposes, I'm keen to know what these are, considering we can't invest in eBelgium, in our citizens and our military.

as said before: your words, not mine.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-30, 20:19

Helviro wrote:you didn't get a chance to copy the comments as well did you?

nope, sry. shame, coz it was indeed an interesting discussion. n

Helviro wrote:
Still, my question remains to you shad, if the state shouldn't invest in the military nor the citizens, what is a state usefull for?

It should, but it should do so in balance with it's capabilities.

I mean, why not give everyone 100 G to buy gold packs, 600G to give everyone the gold for a Q7, 100G for a Q4 nuclear factory and daily supplies of 100 guns from every Q level so that we can ensure everyone to build one nuke every day,...

I think everyone here wants 1000G a day, but that just isn't realistic.

My point is: a healthy balance is needed. A healthy balance means you spend some but save some as well. This is NOT a healthy balance in my opinion.

Helviro wrote:
I don't want ebelgium to stack up funds, cauz nething else is usefull: too small, no exposure, whatever I want eBelgium to do something good for eBelgians.

I'm not saying you should stack everything (coz then I sound like Ward) but you should never spend more than you earn. And I think 10%-20% of your earnings every month should be a healthy amount to set aside.

Helviro wrote:
in one of the comments you mentioned other purposes, I'm keen to know what these are, considering we can't invest in eBelgium, in our citizens and our military.

as said before: your words, not mine.

Here's the thing. I have several idea's, but why on earth would I share them with a community that wants to ban me? Why on earth would I show constructivism so that other can say "wow shadow, great idea. Let's implant it... now get the f*** out."

you got to be realistic here, man

Quoting goopy from the other topic

goopypants wrote:

first, concentrating on gold isn't an accurate assessment of the amount of reserves; you have to include the BEF stockpile too.

In the current market, BEF is so worthless it's not even worth being used as toilet paper.

The market seems to be doing a little bit better lately but we're still far away from CC being of any real value

goopypants wrote:
cond, the dramatic drop in the treasury has occurred in the last month, directly related to tax income, and the drop was noticed and reported.

third, eBelgium doesn't need a giant treasury... all it does is make it a PTO target and ossify politics. Having a much smaller treasury would allow politics to be much more open and adventurous, with less risk.

contradiction there

first you mention that there was a unforeseen drop and that that explains a nearly drained treasury, next you mention that reserves aren't necessary.

I think you should be grateful for this big reserve or you would have been bankrupt a long time ago. And judging by the long time it takes eBE to finally take some action, I think that even a 1000G stockpile isn't big enough.

by **Helviro** 2012-07-30, 22:56

Shad, i m glad to see some sense, however, the ebe community is angry for the non repaid loan, which you still have to repay. I havent seen any evidence of any repayment, so repay and integrate back into the community.

Yes you have an interesting way of thinking, and yes we want to welcome you back.

It s up to you, not us!

by **Viridi** 2012-07-30, 23:30

A glance at our treasury seems to suggest we can't afford it anyway.

by **Gibberish45** 2012-07-30, 23:31

Shadow your comparison of the state budget to your unpaid loan is ridiculous. Congress approved the current funding and while something needs to be done you bringing it up is an attempt to deflect. Comparing an unpaid loan to (in your mind) reckless spending is childish.

I'm actual very surprised to see how you've defended the whole loan thing. It's the sort of defense you would tear apart if someone else presented it.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-31, 00:10

Gibberish45 wrote:Shadow your comparison of the state budget to your unpaid loan is ridiculous. Congress approved the current funding and while something needs to be done you bringing it up is an attempt to deflect. Comparing an unpaid loan to (in your mind) reckless spending is childish.

I'm actual very surprised to see how you've defended the whole loan thing. It's the sort of defense you would tear apart if someone else presented it.

wrong topic bro

This is about how some dude proposed something that f*** eBE up and now we're on the verge of bankruptcy, but please feel free to post to post about the whole loan thing in one of the other topics I've made.

by **Gibberish45** 2012-07-31, 00:32

shadowukcs wrote:

wrong topic bro

This is about how some dude proposed something that f*** eBE up and now we're on the verge of bankruptcy

I don't think that's what mitte intended when she created this thread, imho your article is very much related to your loan. If you care so much for the welfare of Belgium pay what you agreed to and THEN champion this cause. I'm not disagreeing or saying your argument isn't valid, only that your participation in the debate process at all is unfair treatment that other Belgium citizens would never have. I'm not on anyone's side and don't dislike anybody more than another here but I am interested in seeing the rules applied to EVERYONE, regardless of their seniority.

The frustrating thing is that you have plenty of money, not returning it has somehow gotten wrapped up with your ego so that to pay the loan would be giving in. But that's wrong, paying the loan would be living up to your word.

by **mittekemuis** 2012-07-31, 12:17

I think it is time to close this topic because its served its purpose and is derailing anyway...

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-31, 12:39

mittekemuis wrote:I think it is time to close this topic because its served its purpose and is derailing anyway...

why? you wanted people to make decisions about the taxes and the treasury, we're discussing it now and you want to close it?

by **mittekemuis** 2012-07-31, 12:44

Yes I do, but posting your article in here just wasn't a very good idea. My posting was just a wake up call and things are now up to Government & congress not to me because I am not involved and not to you as long as you do not pay and become back a full member of this community.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-31, 12:59

mittekemuis wrote:Yes I do, but posting your article in here just wasn't a very good idea. My posting was just a wake up call and things are now up to Government & congress not to me because I am not involved and not to you as long as you do not pay and become back a full member of this community.

oh right, so not only can't I get access to the community that's spending my tax money, I'm also forbidden to even talk about how it's spending it or even debating it in general.

by **mittekemuis** 2012-07-31, 13:11

shadowukcs wrote:
mittekemuis wrote:Yes I do, but posting your article in here just wasn't a very good idea. My posting was just a wake up call and things are now up to Government & congress not to me because I am not involved and not to you as long as you do not pay and become back a full member of this community.

oh right, so not only can't I get access to the community that's spending my tax money, I'm also forbidden to even talk about how it's spending it or even debating it in general.

I can't and I wont stop you. Like I said I have no business in making decisions because I placed myself outside the community for two months vacation. I just was worried because I did not see much happening and that's all I wanted to say.

Create a topic in general where you discus what you want to discus I am not the judge to say its valid or not

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-31, 13:56

why can't we continue to use this topic?

by **Helviro** 2012-07-31, 15:47

for this one i agee with shad.

let's debate this and get it over with.

4 solutions:
A Shad repays and integrates back in the eBelgian community
B Shad doesn't repay and proves that he doens't owe the eBelgian community a dime, and integrates back in the eBelgian community
C Shad repays and doesn't integrate back into the eBelgian community
D Shad doesn't repay, doesn't prove he owes anythin and doesn't integrate

So D is what we got some while ago, so there is no point in chosing that one
C is also no option, since why would hé, out of guilt lol!

So it's A or B, the choice is yours Shad.

by **Critically** 2012-07-31, 16:01

Stop talking about the loan shadow needs to repay here .... This don't need to come up in every debate.

Here it's about the fact that our government/congress is lazy and that our treasury is almost empty ....

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-31, 16:03

Helviro wrote:for this one i agee with shad.

let's debate this and get it over with.

4 solutions:
A Shad repays and integrates back in the eBelgian community
B Shad doesn't repay and proves that he doens't owe the eBelgian community a dime, and integrates back in the eBelgian community
C Shad repays and doesn't integrate back into the eBelgian community
D Shad doesn't repay, doesn't prove he owes anythin and doesn't integrate

So D is what we got some while ago, so there is no point in chosing that one
C is also no option, since why would hé, out of guilt

So it's A or B, the choice is yours Shad.

the problem is: EVEN IF there is a small shred in me (a tiny winy bit, not even the size of a elektron) that agrees to participate in another s*** BS trial, it wouldn't be fair as I have no access to the SC topics where the accusations against me where made and no access to the evidence brought in against me. Nor do I have access to the forum posts that can back my statements up.

a advantage TR with his admin powers does have.

Also: how do I know that after that's done, NLSP or another his crooks starts a new trial over the BAF MU or something else he can dig up. ("oh look, lets start another trial because the law states that shadow should pay 500 BEF interest for each day he's over due, that's a fine of ... 10 kazillion BEF's. Can't pay? Sorry, but thanks for the 86k")

IF, I find the time or the money for A or B, I want complete immunity for everything I've done in the period ending with closing this case trough option A or B.

by **ThomasRED** 2012-07-31, 16:25

Shadow, i have no advantage as i'm not part of the trial. The case have been requested by our Minister of Finances, back in time. And at this moment, you decided to not react or get involved in the trial. Now it's too late, you have been convicted, and it's more than time to repay your debt. You loaned 84 500 bef with a 2% interest, you didn't repaid it, and that's it.

Moreover if you pay your debt, it's because you owe it to eBelgium, because you made agreements with our country, and that you have to respect it. It's not to "buy" immunity. You have also kept for all this time a state funded MU, that Betafoxtrot gave you, and yes i say "gave" you, because he declared he never sold it to you, as you stated. So if you want to be reintegrate in our community, stop lying (about the MU), stop stealing (about your loan), pay your debt, give back the MU to the state control, and you will get "immunity" for what you did in the past, as it was the case for the others before you. With the guarantee that there won't be any other trial as you will have cleared out all the issue in which you are involved. No 10 kazillion's bef fine, but a clean sheet to start over in eBelgium (with maybe more difficulties than before to get trusted, but it's human, you will need to win again that trust).

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-31, 17:46

Well then, then it's a p easy choice for me. We both know that in case I do pay back or 86k or prove that I don't owe the state anything, NLSP will find something else to sue me over.

I'm not going to invest my time or my money into finding a solution for this when I'm certain that as soon as this case is solved, NLSP or another legalfag is going to start a new case and get me either banned again or force me to spend more time defending myself again.

The only reason I'll cooperate with this is to get this over with, not so it can start over again with something similar.

Why on earth would I pay back 86k (given that I can't prove that I'm innocent ofc) just so that 5 minutes later you can say "oooooh, right, I can't give you your access back because you're also holding the BAF MU, which was decided by another trial you wheren't able to defend yourself in... but hey, thanks for the money, but you're staying banned".

Unlike you, I don't have "retarded" written on my forehead.

[MOD]No warning, but a bit of good advice: Kindly make your points with valid arguments and not name calling. This applies to BOTH sides.[/MOD]

by **Viridi** 2012-07-31, 17:50

If you like then, you can pay me 86k and I can give it to the state and boom! Problem solved.

You don't pay the state anything and NLSP won't sue you.

Very Happy

?

by **tommot** 2012-07-31, 18:25

This is yet another deja-vu. Sad

by **shadowukcs** 2012-07-31, 19:44

tommot wrote:This is yet another deja-vu.

Hey, it's not like I'm asking for this.

I'm willing to cooperate if I get guarantees that it ends there and then. Right now, all I'm looking up is the promise of me spending more time getting harassed by sad, pathetic people in an even more sad and pathetic court.

Give me guarantees that this whole charade ends and I'm more than willing to pay 86k BEF, even regardless of the fact that I believe I shouldn't pay it.

by **Viridi** 2012-07-31, 19:45

I guarantee it.

by **Helviro** 2012-07-31, 20:04

NLSP is just 1 person. I guarantee that I'll support you if options a or b are pursued

by **ThomasRED** 2012-07-31, 20:33

If you guarantee that you wont stole any money or MU anymore in the future, you will get the guarantee that no one will complain about it. It's all about your choices.

Pay back your debt, give back the MU (which costed 40g to the State), and you will be welcomed back in the community. You don't have any use of the MU instead selecting your own DO and annoying people in eBE, the BAF story is behind us, you as SO is an old story too (despite you didn't respected the terms of your contract, but it shows that eBE want to move on too if you are ready), let's put an end at all this and start over an healthier relation within our community. No case about the MU was started because you wasn't around, now that you're back, let's avoid it and let move on...

Appoint a new commander in the BAF MU, choosen by our CP/HC, pay back your loan (with no penalties), get the assurance you won't be pursued for your SO loan you didn't respected, and tonight you will be back in eBE as a rightfull citizen of our community !

by **Gibberish45** 2012-07-31, 22:00

Everything you're saying about the debt and the other side is a deflection from your unpaid loan Shadow. If I was an admin I would ban you and ban your IP if possible. Troll if you want through multies and PTOs that only demonstrates your character.

I used to like your quick, snappy wit because you typically made sense. Your ego has blinded your reason on this matter and eroded my respect for you.

Until you honor your word, your presence here is a slap in the face to every citizen subject to the law. I would feel exactly the same about anyone else who acted as you have. For me, this is about equality, not politics.

by **tommot** 2012-08-01, 16:01

+1

Now... that's what was hanging in the back of my head.
I just couldn't exrpess it.
Well said. Smile

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-01, 16:25

ThomasRED wrote:If you guarantee that you wont stole any money or MU anymore in the future, you will get the guarantee that no one will complain about it. It's all about your choices.

Pay back your debt, give back the MU (which costed 40g to the State), and you will be welcomed back in the community. You don't have any use of the MU instead selecting your own DO and annoying people in eBE, the BAF story is behind us, you as SO is an old story too (despite you didn't respected the terms of your contract, but it shows that eBE want to move on too if you are ready), let's put an end at all this and start over an healthier relation within our community. No case about the MU was started because you wasn't around, now that you're back, let's avoid it and let move on...

Appoint a new commander in the BAF MU, choosen by our CP/HC, pay back your loan (with no penalties), get the assurance you won't be pursued for your SO loan you didn't respected, and tonight you will be back in eBE as a rightfull citizen of our community !

no actually

the MU is my property and I DID pay for it. Also I have emails from the admin team and a chat log from Xtasia where I explained the situation and where both the admin team and one of the lead admins in this game confirms that the BAF MU is 100% my property.

IG admins rule > s*** role play court

I'm willing to pay the loan (even tho I think I don't have to) in order to leave all this behind us, but I'm not giving over the MU as well.

It serves no purpose other than stroking TR's ego over the fact that he can have his beloved BAF back. The state does not need it and there are already many abandoned MU's for the grab if it did needed it. You are NOT getting that MU since it's 100%, admin confirmed, my property.

by **ThomasRED** 2012-08-01, 16:46

Tecuvo received 294 bef for the BNA budget. It's an ingame donation from NBB to Tecuvo's profile. Ask the admin who is the owner of that money, they will answer it's Tecuvo. Why ? Because it's a donation.

Other example, the BNA MU is a state funded MU, as the BAF is, Tecuvo is the commander of that MU. If he send a ticket to the admin to know who is the owner of that MU, they will answer it's Tecuvo of course.

I received a loan in the past of 76 875 bef. It was a donation from the NBB account to my account, if i ask the admins who is the owner of that money, they will have answered it's me. Why did i repaid it ? Because it was a loan i made within the eBelgian community.

Of course admins will never say : "this MU have been created with eBE's fund, so it stay the property of eBE". There is no feature called state MU as there is state orgs ingame. It's like parties, the one who create it is not his owner for life, the "owner" is the current "party president", "commander" etc...

But all this have nothing to do with "s*** role play court", it's only how we are organized as a country, as a community. It is based on trust and on collective goals, to make eBE the better country as possible for our citizens.

The BAF MU have been created with eBE's gold, it have been our national military, and several commanders have been appointed by our High Command to lead it, until Betafoxtrot and you both refused to appoint Tecuvo as it was ordered by our country. That eBE's need it or not, that there is others MU or not, it's not related to the fact this MU is a state funded MU and that you have been asked to appoint Tecuvo as commander, which you refused to do, holding it as hostage for personal purpose and reasons.

Pay back your loan, give back the MU to eBE, and start over with a clean sheet... :-/

by **Gibberish45** 2012-08-01, 18:13

IMHO the loan and MU are completely separate issues. The situation with the the BAF is much more convoluted and not connected to his forum ban in any way. I'm only upset about the law being skirted for any particular citizen, if Shadow pays back the loan I am satisfied completely.

I think the key difference here Shadow is that you agreed to pay back the loan so you should keep your word, not hold it hostage over hypotheticals. Having a (seemingly) legitimate dispute over the ownership of the MU would not be a reason to ban you from the community.

by Requiem Domine 2012-08-01, 20:32

Gibberish45 wrote:IMHO the loan and MU are completely separate issues. The situation with the the BAF is much more convoluted and not connected to his forum ban in any way. I'm only upset about the law being skirted for any particular citizen, if Shadow pays back the loan I am satisfied completely.

by **Sicarii** 2012-08-02, 00:38

3 months ago our treasury contained 2100 gold. This gold was the result of 3 years (!!!) of careful saving, watching after every penny and not giving in to useless projects or spending it all on a huge amount of MPP's to give us a false sense of importance in eWorld, unlike many other smaller nations who fell for this trap.

... Isn't the idea to NOT have a giant stack of gold sitting around, so we don't attract PTO'ers?

by goopypants 2012-08-02, 05:20

Sicarii wrote:... Isn't the idea to NOT have a giant stack of gold sitting around, so we don't attract PTO'ers?

Shhhhh! You'll confuse people with "facts" and "reasoning" and "logic".

Just give everyone a week or two to bitch and finish reacting to Shadow being back. Then things will go back to normal, or at least the normal of the last six months.

by **mittekemuis** 2012-08-02, 09:04

goopypants wrote:
Sicarii wrote:... Isn't the idea to NOT have a giant stack of gold sitting around, so we don't attract PTO'ers?

Shhhhh! You'll confuse people with "facts" and "reasoning" and "logic".

Just give everyone a week or two to bitch and finish reacting to Shadow being back. Then things will go back to normal, or at least the normal of the last six months.

Which brings us back to the subject of this topic.

We need more activity people. Neutrality is not a mean to be lazy...

I know its Summer and I am taking it easy myself but still the people who run for office must be able to do more than they are doing now, no?

If this trent is becomming the standart of playing in eBelgium I think its sad Crying or Very sad

And the bitching about/with shadow is not what I mean by activity Evil or Very Mad

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-02, 11:32

Sicarii wrote:
3 months ago our treasury contained 2100 gold. This gold was the result of 3 years (!!!) of careful saving, watching after every penny and not giving in to useless projects or spending it all on a huge amount of MPP's to give us a false sense of importance in eWorld, unlike many other smaller nations who fell for this trap.

... Isn't the idea to NOT have a giant stack of gold sitting around, so we don't attract PTO'ers?

Not really, that's nothing more than a fable, meant to scare people into following laws a few devious people here came up with. It's so funny how many parallels there are between this RL.

One person screams "PTO!!!" and all of the sudden the public opinion is swayed to do anything to advert this grave danger that's lurking over eBE now, ready to destroy anything and everything on it's path, rape all our women (well, we only have 2 or 3, but ok) and children (no worries, NLSP can handle it), steal our hard earned cash!!! rawr rawr!! TOO THE SHELTERS!!

IRL you had one person screaming "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction" and all of the sudden the public opinion swayed into doing anything to advert this grave danger that's lurking over world peace. 9 years and 120 000 dead people later, we might have overreacted a bit back then.

eBE is filled with sheep who can be brainwashed into believing anything. Give me a week in congress and I bet I can even pass a "2nd August is from now on the national: suck shadow's d*ck-day"-proposal with a majority. That's how easy some people here are to influence.

I'm not comparing anyone where with Bush or Saddam (though I can think of one who sure bears a few resemblences, especially when it concerns economy) but can you see my point? There is no PTO. All you have is a handful of greeks who are being portrayed as a nuclear bomb for eBelgium but are in reality nothing more than a firecracker. And half the population here is retarded enough to see them as a grave danger when only last election it only took a handfull of people to block them out. You don't PTO as easily anymore as you used to. In fact, real PTO's have become very uncommon lately.

Oh and the opposite of what you're saying is true actually, given the very highly unlikely chance that a bunch of PTO'ers, gets into eBelgium (we're talking about a process of months here to get enough ppl in), get a majority in congress (again a process of months), then get a CP into power, it would take nearly a year to accomplish that. If they are that autistic about this and have such a determination, then quite frankly they deserve it.

And if that would happen and they would all of the sudden gain access to the treasury account, then it would take them 1 second to steal the 3 million BEF in there, allowing them to seriously harm our economy if that would be thrown out on the market all at once, not to mention they could f*** us then even further by raising taxes to 100%, whereas they would only be able to steal 10G gold a day/psn

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-02, 11:38

Also, concerning that subject of PTO's.

The last time we where PTO'd was over 4-5 years ago! It where different ingame rules back then (you didn't needed to request CS, you could just get it automatically) and eBelgium was nearly completely abandoned (it had like 10-20 active ppl in it).

Seriously, ever since this community was set up, we haven't had 1 PTO or even any attempt that came close to it. NOT 1

Yet every single time someone wants to push a point or an idea trough, they mention the magic word: PTO! and all of the sudden everyone starts running around, waving their arms, screaming, panicking and behaving like a drama-queen, as if the apocalypse is near.

many of the laws in this community are build on a fear for something that has never happened and will never happen.

by goopypants 2012-08-02, 12:16

Seriously, ever since this community was set up, we haven't had 1 PTO or even any attempt that came close to it. NOT 1

Really?

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-02, 13:47

goopypants wrote:
Seriously, ever since this community was set up, we haven't had 1 PTO or even any attempt that came close to it. NOT 1

Really?

I'm talking about serious PTO attempts. we haven't came close to anything noteworthy as far as I recall.

The only things that come to mind where:
-the opposition. but that couldn't be seen as a PTO attempt but rather a revolt of a big group of active citizens
-the very early days of eBelgians independence from UNL. But that wasn't really a PTO either since there where 2 sides of eBelgium (EDEN supporting eBelgians and PEACE supporting eBelgains) who had each gathered a legion of around 500 voters from their respective alliances and turned politics into a giant dickwaving competition.

by **Konrad Neumann** 2012-08-02, 18:17

IG admins rule > s*** role play court

While this is true in terms of the game, this does not really change the community that seems to like to role play. If you do not like to role play, why do you want to rejoin the role play based community? I guess if you want to be a part of the role play community, you have to follow the role play court/ norms and if you do not want to role play, then you do not have to be in this role play community.

If you feel so bad, angry, and unjust about this role play community, you can always join the commie wannabe role players community. While we do have some characters here that do like role play, I dare say that the LCC are 100000 times worst if we deal with the issue of role play. They are the ones that role play being comrades and role playing some international commie alliance that imagines they are building a workers utopia in eBE with only 3 people as members...

So you have a choice, you can join the non-commie role playing community and pay back your dues or join the illegitimate but even more dramatic commie role playing community that is pissed off and angry about anyone and everything that do not follow them and their vision blindly.

Deep inside, I know which community you want in your heart. Will ego and pride push you to the role play community you really do not agree or want to be in the first place?

by **boer jan** 2012-08-02, 19:15

he likes role play, he is practising it all the time , he only do not like that others do it also with success like he does

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