Food market

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-10-08, 10:44

Ok, guys
As you all have seen I always offer Q2 food at 0.79-0.8BEF
But I cant keep the demand up, I have to wait untill I get home to work in my own company but what I would like to say is
Belgium needs to attract people to import grain inhere (at 0.03 price), also I would like to hire some workers

So if you wanna <work in a Q2 company (Smossen Panos) mail to Ir!sh or to me

Right now the prices on the market are too high (Q1 = 0.8 Q2 even higher)
From the moment someone worked in my company I will put new offers up
I will keep selling bread at 0.79 except if the grain price raises to 0.04 or higher, then I will recalculate everything to get a new market price
At the moment I have still RM from the 0.03 price time, so I can keep this up for a day or two

Hopefully other food companies share my opinion else new players cant even buy one food piece to survive (some make 0.88BEF - taxes) so they can just buy one bread

If the price for grain remains on 0.03, I will lower the price for my Q2 bread maybe since Q1 food isnt very present on the market

by **Theneka** 2010-10-08, 11:06

I've put in 50 bread at a bit lower rate, but I don't have much grain left eighter. So we need new grain importers. Kravenn has a high grain company, I'll ask him if he wants to export to eBelgium.

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2010-10-08, 12:48

these prices are preposterous :S

by **kabouter_wesley** 2010-10-08, 13:23

where is our beloved CP when you need her?

she blames other people for not being "active" but i haven't heard of her since she is elected.

Drastic measures need to be taken very fast. I warned some days ago this would happen...

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-10-08, 14:02

I have an proposal
Or the governement starts running a grain company in a high region and import in Belgium at a lower price
Or I open up a company in a foreign country, and the governement pays a piece of the export license, else I would have to use 60 gold in one use (20 starting up - 20 for loans (you have to put in the company) - 20 for the export license)
Also lower the import tax to the lowest possible (1%?)

EDIT: I cannot find extra people because Abrivianius offers wages I am never capable of paying without raising my prices, so I wont be able to produce more atm
I dont know if Abrivianius wants to help the Belgian economy, but the way he does it is wrong, if you want to higher wages in a country, you have to do it smoothly, not so abrupt as he does now
He overraises the current people by over 200%, if I would compete with him I would have to raise my food price immediately wich would cause a terrible starvation death to those Belgians that still work at the lower wages
I am sure that not many companies will offer the same as Abrivianius as it is a ridiculous price change
It is good to have low wages because low wages give lower prices, higher wages, higher prices
But with lowe wages foreign investors are more attracted to the Belgian market, at higher wages they are not

by **Helviro** 2010-10-08, 15:24

Totally agreed.

I have some grain and food left in res Belgica food, but I can't mesure up to those wages.

Also it has always been the policy that Res Belgica food doesn't need to make profit, since it is a social program. but it can't offer lower prices than the market. to keep honest competition open.

I'll check back with the CP to see what we can do about this.

by Habraka Abrivianius 2010-10-08, 15:31

Don't blame me for the shortage of workers. It's not like it's my fault there aren't many active players in Belgium.

I just need workers, fast, hence high wages.

by **Helviro** 2010-10-08, 15:33

I'm not blaming you. Because of the guidelines of Res Belgica I'm making profit as well.

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-10-08, 15:55

Habraka Abrivianius wrote:Don't blame me for the shortage of workers. It's not like it's my fault there aren't many active players in Belgium.

I just need workers, fast, hence high wages.

I'm not blaming you, but arch, I'm not in the mood to discuss right now Smile

by **Theneka** 2010-10-08, 16:52

lolz.

by **MaryamQ** 2010-10-08, 20:18

I am here, just not able to be everywhere at once, unfortunately. This is indeed an urgent problem.

@Kabouter_wesley I am glad to see you posting here again. I told you I would be delighted for you to prove me wrong.

Please, those of you have access to grain/food companies, do what you can. Thank you for the actions so far. I will discuss with my ministers what other measures the government can take.

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-10-08, 20:53

I suggest that the Res Belgica company lowers its price to 0.4BEF (Q1)
I am keeping my price at 0.8BEF while I could go with ease to 1BEF (at least!)
But I will keep the price like this since I still make profit so I will keep the price like this (unless the RM price is too high)

In the meanwhile, I am looking for a RM to invest in, by coincidence I found a Grain company WITH license to Belgium, too bad, it is in a Medium region so I better start one up in Belgium then
If someone finds a Grain company with license to Belgium but doesnt have enough gold to buy it or simply doesnt want to be businessman, call me Smile

by Jorne Reynders 2010-10-09, 12:37

Habraka Abrivianius wrote:Don't blame me for the shortage of workers. It's not like it's my fault there aren't many active players in Belgium.

I just need workers, fast, hence high wages.

You have 11800 BEF so you can for sure get enough workes
Maybe you can even pay the grain cirisis =P

by dagniel 2010-10-16, 23:35

The food price rose because of the high food demand generated by the recent fights.

Regarding raws, I also have a grain company with license here. I will try to raise my production to put some grain on the eBelgium market. But it will be at the eRo production cost ...something like 0.08 BEF.

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-10-23, 22:19

Are food company owners stupid or is it just me?
Instead of keeping their price leveled at the same price, they lower, and lower, and lower, untill they dont make any profit anymore
I calculated it for a Q2
Grain at 0.07BEF
12x0.07= 0.84
Wages, lets say 0.2 per bread
0.84+0.2=1.04

by **M.Leviathin** 2010-10-23, 22:32

I think the upcoming battles will help with the overstock of food. Very Happy

by **IP_Kevin** 2010-10-27, 23:04

Glenn Wauters wrote:Are food company owners stupid or is it just me?
Instead of keeping their price leveled at the same price, they lower, and lower, and lower, untill they dont make any profit anymore
I calculated it for a Q2
Grain at 0.07BEF
12x0.07= 0.84
Wages, lets say 0.2 per bread
0.84+0.2=1.04

Never heard of predatory pricing?

by **Glenn Wauters** 2010-10-27, 23:19

IP_Kevin wrote:
Glenn Wauters wrote:Are food company owners stupid or is it just me?
Instead of keeping their price leveled at the same price, they lower, and lower, and lower, untill they dont make any profit anymore
I calculated it for a Q2
Grain at 0.07BEF
12x0.07= 0.84
Wages, lets say 0.2 per bread
0.84+0.2=1.04

Never heard of predatory pricing?

yes

by **Theneka** 2010-10-28, 11:06

That's the way of the free market :p They just lower thill they die, and then the strong companies survive. It's just the same in real life, only here you can't relocate your buisness that easely :p

by Habraka Abrivianius 2010-10-28, 13:29

Theneka wrote:They just lower thill they die, and then the strong companies survive.

And then more noobs join, spend their Gold buying a company which they have no idea how to run effectively, creating a never-ending cycle of companies operating at a loss and going bankrupt. I've been seeing this happen since '08, so meh.

by Jorne Reynders 2010-10-30, 18:43

M.Leviathin wrote:I think the upcoming battles will help with the overstock of food.

indeed it did our prices are rising like hell

but they are good now but i think a lot of people will stay fighting

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2010-10-30, 20:42

the prices for q2 food haven't risen that much with the new battles. q1 has indeed risen a lot, but stocks will grow back soon enough I guess, especially with still quite some grain left on the market.

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-01-13, 14:12

Food prices raised gigantic lately
From 1.64BEF for a Q2 bread to 2.64BEF
Thats enormous and where we were with the cheapest food sellers first, we're now the most expensive sellers

Thank God theres still Q1 with +-1BEF

by **Boklevski** 2011-01-13, 14:38

Glenn Wauters wrote:
Thank God theres still Q1 with +-1BEF

Exactly. So we should see the demand for expensive Q2 food decline until prices down back to approx. 2 BEF again. Wink

by **Sammy Tanghe** 2011-01-13, 17:49

food prices are very odd though, grain prices are dropping terribly (I just decided to stop my company because belgian grain prices dropped from 0.13 to 0.9, and yet it still was the most interesting of all my licenses)

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-01-13, 18:07

Sammy Tanghe wrote:food prices are very odd though, grain prices are dropping terribly (I just decided to stop my company because belgian grain prices dropped from 0.13 to 0.9, and yet it still was the most interesting of all my licenses)

Even the Serbian coin is suffering by something, their coin is dropping

by draganw 2011-01-16, 18:36

new world order....
Raws are to expensive in eBE at the moment, fair price is 0.07 bef

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-01-16, 19:50

No, we have to keep it this way to avoid massive unemployment
We have to raise import taxes on everything so companies can keep working with employees

Belgium is one of the few countries that still has some normal wages
Look at Poland for example, wages there dropped incredibly

by **ThomasRED** 2011-01-16, 19:56

Massive unemployement is the government problem, and state companies can welcome this workless citizens.

by draganw 2011-01-16, 20:08

ThomasRED wrote:Massive unemployement is the government problem, and state companies can welcome this workless citizens.

x2

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-01-16, 21:47

I will open up the state companies for those levels that dont have normal wages anymore

by **Jacob van Artevelde** 2011-02-08, 14:19

Anything we can do about 0 employee companies like "new sexy food 1, 2, 3 ... 50" ?

I know ... it's just a retorical question ... Evil or Very Mad

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-02-08, 16:58

Jacob van Artevelde wrote:Anything we can do about 0 employee companies like "new sexy food 1, 2, 3 ... 50" ?

I know ... it's just a retorical question ...

nothing we can do about it as long as the admins remain stupid, blind, self centered, more stupid, and other mean english words I didnt learn in English class Evil or Very Mad

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-02-09, 19:52

Our iron market is also collapsing
Thank god i have an export license, but I dont know how long I will be able to offer good (acceptable) wages to my employees

Normally employees quit if you dont have enough money in your comp, now they stay, because there are no other offers on the market

by **Jofroi** 2011-02-09, 20:47

This'll cause a collapse of the value of the wages.

But it's very hard to do anything against state managers... there are too much of them on the market and their production price is just too slow.

I will provide some job offers at very low wages for every level...

by **NLSP** 2011-02-09, 21:02

I am just a new manager, but the prizes are not good Sad

we need to kick a few of these companies Razz

or at least find a way to increase the price

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-02-09, 21:12

The recent changes influenced our economy a lot

Due to this change we have a huge overproduction
On sight this isnt a problem, but our population is suffering from these changes

Managers working in their own companies without workers have no cost (if they work in a RM company), so even if they sell RM at 0.01BEF they still make profit

Other companies, who are working normally are suffering as they have to pay for their employees, they have to sell at a minimum price, tis minimum price is way above 0.01BEF, even way above 0.05BEF

0.08BEF is (for my company) the minimum offer, my company cant go lower without the need to lower my workers wages, lowering my workers wages would mean that they would work for a miserable wage and barely be able to pay their food

Right now I pay my workers 19BEF (level 9) and 20BEF (10), but I cant keep this going as my Iron doesnt get sold and my money is running out

This is why I ask people to buy iron from real companies, companies with workers, this also counts for other RM

Buy smart, buy Belgian, buy real

by **NLSP** 2011-02-09, 21:41

well, it is unreasonable to sell for less then 0.08 either be it grain, or be it iron

by **Jofroi** 2011-02-09, 21:45

I've opened a weapon state company and put job offers for 5 BEF (which allow to eat daily without any problem even if it is not well paid).

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-02-09, 21:53

Jofroi wrote:I've opened a weapon state company and put job offers for 5 BEF (which allow to eat daily without any problem even if it is not well paid).

Also for the higher levels?

by **NLSP** 2011-02-09, 22:25

I have with my company some 5BEF offers for Guru* and Guru** Smile

by **Jacob van Artevelde** 2011-02-09, 22:28

NLSP wrote:I have with my company some 5BEF offers for Guru* and Guru**

I might use this tactic too ... and write some article with the real wages that I offer ...
ATM I'm mostly getting low health employees that I have to fire after 3 days of non-activity ...

by **Glenn Wauters** 2011-02-09, 23:18

Jacob van Artevelde wrote:
NLSP wrote:I have with my company some 5BEF offers for Guru* and Guru**

I might use this tactic too ... and write some article with the real wages that I offer ...
ATM I'm mostly getting low health employees that I have to fire after 3 days of non-activity ...

You can fire employees whenever you want

by **Jacob van Artevelde** 2011-02-10, 08:30

I know ... doing that every day ...
With this tactic I might get some active, high health workers ... maybe ...
Don't spoil my dream Wink

by **Jacob van Artevelde** 2011-02-10, 09:55

How fast a dream can turn into a nightmare ...

Just saw another 0 employee company offering 500 Q1 food @ 0.50 BEF ... I give up ... closing down Spaghetti Kastart ... !

by **mittekemuis** 2011-02-10, 11:25

Jacob van Artevelde wrote:How fast a dream can turn into a nightmare ...

Just saw another 0 employee company offering 500 Q1 food @ 0.50 BEF ... I give up ... closing down Spaghetti Kastart ... !

I just bought a whole lot of that cheap food of you and gave myself a good military treaty. Don't know if that makes you feel better though.

by **Boklevski** 2011-02-10, 13:30

Jacob van Artevelde wrote:How fast a dream can turn into a nightmare ...

Just saw another 0 employee company offering 500 Q1 food @ 0.50 BEF ... I give up ... closing down Spaghetti Kastart ... !

Well, your day is ruined now anyway, so I don't see why I can't make it worse: it was 722 food Razz

Most of it was produced while I still had employees, by the way (against 0.96 BEF per food), but I just had to get rid of it at some point.

However, to mess up the day of all of you totally:

I have 3 RM (grain), will buy a fourth soon. I have 2 food companies.

In each RM, I produce about 270 grain (productivity 540). That will be 1.080 when I have the fourth RM company.
I can produce 1.080 / 6 = 180 food with that. Raws needed: 2 x 540 / Productivity required - not coincidentally - : 2 x 540.

Only cost: 6 times working x 10 health = 60 health = 30 food... and a whole bunch of clicking, so that's why I probably won't do it much Razz

Basically, I get 180 - 30 = 150 food FREE per day.

So, yeah, I put it on the market against a very low price to help my fellow country members to fight or to enable them to buy food even with low wages.

Yes, it destroys our market. But honestly, I don't feel too guilty about that, because others will do this as well. It's the admins fault... although they try to correct this by buying goods themselves. So then our products market and monetary market is destroyed... we can't do anything against that.

So until they fix something RIGHT for a change, just enjoy the cheap food to get some fighting skills.

by **Jacob van Artevelde** 2011-02-10, 14:26

Well, at least there's someone who feels good about it ...

by **NLSP** 2011-02-10, 14:36

well in the end, you will end up with NO jobs giving NO wages giving NO consumption or the ability to buy any food at all

by **Theneka** 2011-02-10, 16:10

Or just a lot of people with nothing, and a lot of people with lots of free food? :p

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