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by **NLSP** 2011-11-22, 21:33

The following post is not longer available on the public military channel cause someone deleted it, therefore I post it here again:

It was apparently not appreciated by Betafoxtrot that I asked him to tell us about who was sitting in the HC, that I asked him why he first said to rise our supplies and then after 1 week decides to cut down supplies to half, that I asked him about the reasons that BAF soldiers where fired...

I got today the message that I was fired from the MU and I got as reason "You're ruining the mojo"
I was also informed that I only get my supplies for that last 2 days that I am in the BAF, if I donate Betafoxtrot money.

There are according to him 3 members in the HC for the moment, our CP, he and Nohjis. I could reach our CP and he doesn't even know he is part of any BAF organ anymore. He assured me that he didn't agree at all with the decision and was certainly no part of that decision.

It saddens me that I have to say goodbye to all you soldiers,
I hope to see you all again under better circumstances.

by **Olv007** 2011-11-22, 21:53

Beta, some explanations would be necessary I think.

by betafoxtrot 2011-11-22, 22:56

Don't ask me, I don't even know was mojo is. If ruining mojo was a sackable offence, I'd have used that excuse when I removed Ward and Splash

by **aVegan** 2011-11-22, 23:00

A question why does BAF need supplies when there are no orders?

by **ThomasRED** 2011-11-22, 23:01

http://www.erepbelgium.com/g18-soldiers
12 soldiers left in the BAF ?

by **Olv007** 2011-11-22, 23:06

betafoxtrot wrote:Don't ask me, I don't even know was mojo is. If ruining mojo was a sackable offence, I'd have used that excuse when I removed Ward and Splash

so are you saying you didn't remove NLSP?

by **aVegan** 2011-11-22, 23:06

TR I don't understand why you are happy about this. As you are one of the people who is to blaim about it.

But anyway I would like to ask my question again. Why does BAF need supplies when there are no orders?

by betafoxtrot 2011-11-22, 23:10

Olv007 wrote:
betafoxtrot wrote:Don't ask me, I don't even know was mojo is. If ruining mojo was a sackable offence, I'd have used that excuse when I removed Ward and Splash

so are you saying you didn't remove NLSP?

I don'y think I did say that

by tecuvo 2011-11-22, 23:14

you didn't use mojo?
what reason did you gave to nslp?

by **NLSP** 2011-11-22, 23:18

strange, cause if I go to my alerts I clearly see that I was removed ingame: https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/t6734i.png

I was also removed from this usergroup: http://www.erepbelgium.com/g18-soldiers

and beta told me that I was kicked out of the military and he said as reason and I quote "You're ruining the mojo"

but apparently I am not removed? this is a bit to difficult for me to understand, I thought that any of the 3 things he did on his own meant that I was removed from the baf...

by betafoxtrot 2011-11-22, 23:23

I haven't said you're not removed :3

I think that if you honestly belive that the only reason I gave for removal was an off the cuff remark from something that is off Austin Powers, I hold little enthusiasm to try and convince everyone there was more to the conversation than that.

by **Olv007** 2011-11-22, 23:26

betafoxtrot wrote:I haven't said you're not removed :3

I think that if you honestly belive that the only reason I gave for removal was an off the cuff remark from something that is off Austin Powers, I hold little enthusiasm to try and convince everyone there was more to the conversation than that.

In stead of turning in circles and not answering the real question, can you explain why you removed NLSP?

by betafoxtrot 2011-11-22, 23:34

Because he ruined the mojo!

I'm not going to argue here the reasons for his removal when people were oh so quick to jump to the conclusion it was due to a damaged mojo. I've removed loads of people yesterday for different reasons and I'm yet to see any posts demanding the reasons for their removal. The reasons for doing so are confidential between myself and the person removed so you will have to ask them.

by tecuvo 2011-11-22, 23:34

Olv007 wrote:
betafoxtrot wrote:I haven't said you're not removed :3

I think that if you honestly belive that the only reason I gave for removal was an off the cuff remark from something that is off Austin Powers, I hold little enthusiasm to try and convince everyone there was more to the conversation than that.

In stead of turning in circles and not answering the real question, can you explain why you removed NLSP?

+1

by tecuvo 2011-11-22, 23:36

betafoxtrot wrote:Because he ruined the mojo!

I'm not going to argue here the reasons for his removal when people were oh so quick to jump to the conclusion it was due to a damaged mojo. I've removed loads of people yesterday for different reasons and I'm yet to see any posts demanding the reasons for their removal. The reasons for doing so are confidential between myself and the person removed so you will have to ask them.

yes, but NLSP was the only one who was removed in-game
why?

by betafoxtrot 2011-11-22, 23:36

He was the only one you've noticed who was removed in-game, yes.

by tecuvo 2011-11-22, 23:38

okay

and why??

by **NLSP** 2011-11-22, 23:40

Beta told me their was a majority in the HC who supported him.
He also said that there where 3 members in the HC, the CP, Nohjis and himself.
After talking also to Nohjis I hear that also Nohjis didn't have any talk with anyone about me being fired from the BAF.

I am wondering if 2 out of the 3 persons who are in the HC haven't talked with anyone about me getting fired, how can beta have then a majority?

by tecuvo 2011-11-22, 23:46

i'm quite sure he got a 100% majority
i'm also quite sure he's the only one who has made the decission

by betafoxtrot 2011-11-22, 23:59

Ofc I was, there's no where that says a General has to have a majority vote to remove someone. I spent two years in the eUK military and if you said to remove someone you'd need everyone to vote on it you'd be laughed at. Not to mention how sarcastically I said HC agreed... In the PM I sent last night I specifically stated how the BTA would be in HC but would have no direct input into BAF...

As I said on irc; if NLSP wants to tell you why he was removed then it is entirely up to him. A doctor doesn't tell everyone what's wrong with their patient but the patient is free to tell who ever they like. It'd be irresponsible for me to divulge into a private conversation. I will say however, the conversation had more to it than "You're ruining the mojo".

by **Olv007** 2011-11-23, 06:52

Anyway, you are ruining BAF Beta, you know that don't you?

by **Cotarius** 2011-11-23, 06:58

betafoxtrot wrote:
As I said on irc; if NLSP wants to tell you why he was removed then it is entirely up to him. A doctor doesn't tell everyone what's wrong with their patient but the patient is free to tell who ever they like. It'd be irresponsible for me to divulge into a private conversation. I will say however, the conversation had more to it than "You're ruining the mojo".

But when a doctor makes a bad diagnostic he have to explain why he did it and this can have consequence.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-11-23, 08:20

Olv007 wrote:Anyway, you are ruining BAF Beta, you know that don't you?

I think TR already did that.

Also, the whole mojo thing was a joke. I was on IRC as well and even I had figured that much out. (twas p hilarious to see NLSP bawwwwwwww so hard tho)

NLSP is clearly milking out a joke to make it look like a big thing.

Also, what are we all bitching about? I know for a fact that NLSP asked a CS in eUK several days ago. He was planning on leaving for quite a few days now. Even if he wasn't kicked from BAF, he would have stepped out today anyway. He's a british citizen now.

by **NLSP** 2011-11-23, 08:32

shadowukcs wrote:
Also, what are we all bitching about? I know for a fact that NLSP asked a CS in eUK several days ago. He was planning on leaving for quite a few days now. Even if he wasn't kicked from BAF, he would have stepped out today anyway. He's a british citizen now.

I didn't ask for the CS, it was offered to me.
I had HC permission to change CS and stay in BAF

by **xironn** 2011-11-23, 14:01

*opens a box of tissues for NLSP*

by **M.Leviathin** 2011-11-23, 14:03

Getting offered CS by mitte is basically the same thing as asking for it. Wink

by **shadowukcs** 2011-11-23, 14:36

xironn wrote:*opens a box of tissues for NLSP*

lemon'd

Nominating this post for "post of the month"-award

by **Olv007** 2011-11-23, 20:57

shadowukcs wrote:
Olv007 wrote:Anyway, you are ruining BAF Beta, you know that don't you?

I think TR already did that.

And I'm sure you don't know what you are talking about. Even if I not always agreed with TR (he knows it) he made BAF interesting, challenging and moving forward. Right now the whole opposite is happening.

I personally don't care who run BAF. It could even be you I still won't care. In that same spirit I was willing to give Beta a chance when he got the job but we all have to see the facts he don't want to take that chance. I really had the impression he was here on a "cleaning" mission and the last events are just confirming my fears.

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-11-26, 02:23

NLSP wrote:strange, cause if I go to my alerts I clearly see that I was removed ingame: https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/t6734i.png

I was also removed from this usergroup: http://www.erepbelgium.com/g18-soldiers

and beta told me that I was kicked out of the military and he said as reason and I quote "You're ruining the mojo"

but apparently I am not removed? this is a bit to difficult for me to understand, I thought that any of the 3 things he did on his own meant that I was removed from the baf...

I'd usually believe you but if you resign from an MU in eRepublik, it will show that message as well as the normal one used if you were kicked. You could've also removed yourself from the usergroup, you have the power to do that.

You're going to ask me why? Well, I think sympathy from your fellow Belgians is all you need to make a stance against Beta.

by **M.Leviathin** 2011-11-26, 02:56

I hope you know "You're ruining the mojo." was just a joke. He just didn't find you worthy enough to give his reasons to you.

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-11-26, 03:47

M.Leviathin wrote:I hope you know "You're ruining the mojo." was just a joke. He just didn't find you worthy enough to give his reasons to you.

Don't think he can tell the difference between if it was a joke or not.

by **Cotarius** 2011-11-26, 08:09

Mikhail Alexander wrote:
NLSP wrote:strange, cause if I go to my alerts I clearly see that I was removed ingame: https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/t6734i.png

I was also removed from this usergroup: http://www.erepbelgium.com/g18-soldiers

and beta told me that I was kicked out of the military and he said as reason and I quote "You're ruining the mojo"

but apparently I am not removed? this is a bit to difficult for me to understand, I thought that any of the 3 things he did on his own meant that I was removed from the baf...

I'd usually believe you but if you resign from an MU in eRepublik, it will show that message as well as the normal one used if you were kicked. You could've also removed yourself from the usergroup, you have the power to do that.

You're going to ask me why? Well, I think sympathy from your fellow Belgians is all you need to make a stance against Beta.

Look here is a real Belgium patriot.
Please Mikhail how can I believe you if you fight against Belgium or is this youre paln to strike also Belgium from the inside.

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-11-26, 09:09

Cotarius wrote:
Mikhail Alexander wrote:
NLSP wrote:strange, cause if I go to my alerts I clearly see that I was removed ingame: https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/t6734i.png

I was also removed from this usergroup: http://www.erepbelgium.com/g18-soldiers

and beta told me that I was kicked out of the military and he said as reason and I quote "You're ruining the mojo"

but apparently I am not removed? this is a bit to difficult for me to understand, I thought that any of the 3 things he did on his own meant that I was removed from the baf...

I'd usually believe you but if you resign from an MU in eRepublik, it will show that message as well as the normal one used if you were kicked. You could've also removed yourself from the usergroup, you have the power to do that.

You're going to ask me why? Well, I think sympathy from your fellow Belgians is all you need to make a stance against Beta.

Look here is a real Belgium patriot.
Please Mikhail how can I believe you if you fight against Belgium or is this youre paln to strike also Belgium from the inside.

Belgium was never nice to me except for the selected few so meh. It's your fault, you weren't prepared for someone like myself to come along and get a BH. Say what you like, I don't really care. You'll have no country and I will in a few days. Ta-ta Smile

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-11-26, 09:20

Bye bye Mikhail? Sleep

Bye bye BAF as our national army? Will we stick for now to the pm thread as HC for all Belgian MU's? And the National Supplies Reserve? And then think seriously about supplies production/refill program - land grants and so?

Do we all want the best for Belgium?

by Monsieur Guillotine 2011-11-26, 09:26

Ward De Bever wrote:

Do we all want the best for Belgium?

Clearly not you. You sound no different from TR right now. manipulative and deceitful Smile

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-11-26, 10:01

Monsieur, you are the MoFA of a small country which has its own problems. Please help us solve ours if you have some energy bars left.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-11-26, 11:21

Monsieur Guillotine wrote:
Ward De Bever wrote:

Do we all want the best for Belgium?

Clearly not you. You sound no different from TR right now. manipulative and deceitful

OhGodyes, this so f*** hard!!

Next he's going to shout "for eBelgium! for our childrens freedom!" or something

Also, I like Mikhail. He's one of the best ppl on this entire forum. I can understand his reaction very well . Some ppl here treated him like s***, he pays back in kind. I would have done the same.

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-11-26, 11:30

shadowukcs wrote:
Monsieur Guillotine wrote:
Ward De Bever wrote:

Do we all want the best for Belgium?

Clearly not you. You sound no different from TR right now. manipulative and deceitful

OhGodyes, this so f*** hard!!

Next he's going to shout "for eBelgium! for our childrens freedom!" or something

Also, I like Mikhail. He's one of the best ppl on this entire forum. I can understand his reaction very well . Some ppl here treated him like s***, he pays back in kind. I would have done the same.

And how is this still on topic?

by **Procuste** 2011-11-26, 11:33

shadowukcs wrote:Also, I like Mikhail. He's one of the best ppl on this entire forum. I can understand his reaction very well . Some ppl here treated him like s***, he pays back in kind. I would have done the same.

He also treated some of them like a piece of garbage. Petty revenge is petty revenge, nothing more. Rolling Eyes

Ward, it's on topic since the whole topic is focused on our civil war and personal grudges... Neutral

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-11-26, 11:53

No, the topic is about a dysfunctional BAF and how to cure it, if at all still possible.

by temujin94 2011-11-26, 13:16

Ward De Bever wrote:No, the topic is about a dysfunctional BAF and how to cure it, if at all still possible.

Give me the keys to the Monies, BAF and a 10-glass

by **shadowukcs** 2011-11-26, 16:51

Ward De Bever wrote:No, the topic is about a dysfunctional BAF and how to cure it, if at all still possible.

simple: you resign.

by **Olv007** 2011-11-26, 17:07

shadowukcs wrote:
Ward De Bever wrote:No, the topic is about a dysfunctional BAF and how to cure it, if at all still possible.

simple: you resign.

Ward is not the problem here. Beta is, clearly (of course you must be in BAF to realize how much damages he is doing...).

by **jamster737** 2011-11-26, 17:11

Olv007 wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:
Ward De Bever wrote:No, the topic is about a dysfunctional BAF and how to cure it, if at all still possible.

simple: you resign.

Ward is not the problem here. Beta is, clearly (of course you must be in BAF to realize how much damages he is doing...).

i am in the BAF and i dont think he is. In times of change times will be bad but after a while it will get better

by **Olv007** 2011-11-26, 17:18

jamster737 wrote:
Olv007 wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:
Ward De Bever wrote:No, the topic is about a dysfunctional BAF and how to cure it, if at all still possible.

simple: you resign.

Ward is not the problem here. Beta is, clearly (of course you must be in BAF to realize how much damages he is doing...).
i am in the BAF and i dont think he is. In times of change times will be bad but after a while it will get better

Jamster, be honest: how many soldiers reacted positively on his ingame pm's? and how many soldiers asked to be removed from it?

by **shadowukcs** 2011-11-26, 17:27

I think he's good too

-For starters he isn't Venezuela's bitch unlike former other generals
-Secondly he dares to innovate
-thirdly he's more concerned with the military than with maintaining political influence (unlike the former generals)
-fourthly he doesn't abuse his power for political gains.
-he has a goal, he goes for it, regardless if the CP tries to give him a hard time

I'll tell you this, Beta is like a f*** bulldozer, going straight forward to his goals, not caring what others who try to play political games with him, think or undertake

Beta's a fcking herro

by **Olv007** 2011-11-26, 17:31

shadowukcs wrote:I think he's good too

-For starters he isn't Venezuela's bitch unlike former other generals
-Secondly he dares to innovate
-thirdly he's more concerned with the military than with maintaining political influence (unlike the former generals)
-fourthly he doesn't abuse his power for political gains.
-he has a goal, he goes for it, regardless if the CP tries to give him a hard time

I'll tell you this, Beta is like a f*** bulldozer, going straight forward to his goals, not caring what others who try to play political games with him, think or undertake

Beta's a fcking herro

You really don't want to see it don't you? Soon you will have 2 or 3 soldiers left in BAF but he don't care about it. If that's your hero then I don't know how we should call you...

by **ThomasRED** 2011-11-26, 17:44

It's the goal of shadow, to get rid of the BAF... So indeed, Beta is an hero for him.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-11-26, 17:47

ThomasRED wrote:It's the goal of shadow, to get rid of the BAF... So indeed, Beta is an hero for him.

not at all. My goal is not to get rid of BAF. I don't really care if ppl are stupid to join it.

I do care when my tax money is being used to constantly fund it tho.

by **Olv007** 2011-11-26, 17:50

Read this how the soldiers think about your hero and at least have some guts to say the truth about BAF's management: http://www.erepbelgium.com/t4917-soldier-s-opinion-about-baf#94486

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