America is trying a PTO

Please don't vote for Free Belgium.

Xgentis Lempereur,

Everybody is free to vote for who they want.

Let's just hope that people will vote on what those candidates can do for eBelgium, that's the most important.

Your right but they didn't even hide the fact that they are trying a PTO on us.

the situation some months ago was worser but now real Belgians like us are motivated to keep our home in safe hands.

I wasn't here yet but this sort of action are disgusting I would rather being conquered by military force than like this.

eBelgium is a country with a lot of PTO-stories

EDIT: read this: http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Belgium

That doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

I didn't say I was happy about it.

Read the wiki in my previous message.

Yeah I know Spanish american even french have tried (for the french I checked on their official forum they talked about it but it's some month ago)

The last bit of the wiki is the best I wondered how long it'd be before a BfBer would censor it

Why Medrolke? It's true no?

Look up the history before Apotygma's re-edit

Well the wiki is wrong Free Belgium is still an american PTOist party.

No it isn't.

Me (on the Wiki) wrote:Brussels, Flanders and Wallonia were successfully liberated from the UNL in Early January 2010. Since then, all of Belgium has been liberated and the country is trying to restore itself independently. Although numerous groups from the alliance EDEN tried to politically take over the country, they evantually left. The Free Belgium party (origionally run by the USA) is the only one left, and claim to no longer be a PTO party. The majority of eBelgians have now accepted the members of Free Belgium into the Belgian community.

Which part of that is wrong?

Medrolke wrote:Look up the history before Apotygma's re-edit

I saw he removed some of your text about the BfB smear campaigne. I cannot blame him for that

Yeah, it was mostly put up to see if it would be taken down. But to be fair, there was a smear campaign by members of the BfB that tried to convince people that we are evil PTOers that want to destroy the country. So what I wrote was true.

Free Belgium is still trying a PTO for some reason that i don't understand. eBelgium is neutral we are not planing to go in eden or phoenix nor we will go for the entente why can't they leave us alone?

Again, which specific part of it is not true. If you can find me something that isn't true, I'll change it.

The begining belgium is an independent republik and the regions will not be given back to eUNL or maybe I have trouble whit my english lol.

Fair enough, a lot of the article is horribably out dated, but I don't have time to re-do all of it.

What I want is for you to find a single lie about the Free Belgium party (which this discussion is about).

The Free Belgium party (origionally run by the USA) is the only one left, and claim to no longer be a PTO party. This is false as well the eUSA is still behind Free Belgium.

Was it started by the USA? Yes it was called the Belgian Defence Party and had the SAC logo as it's picture.

Is it the only one left? Yes, what other ones are there?

Does it claim to no longer be a PTO party? Yes, we do.

Those are the only three things stated in that quote. They are all true.

I don't care for this old discussion - didn't we settle this discussion already (a couple of times even)? Don't be lazy, read some articles, get informed and make up your mind for yourself - don't follow the first impression, things are more complicated than they seem.

So what don't you go back to eUSA then?
I don't care if you didn't started it if you don't play to improve eBelgium why are you here what are you trying to do whit our country a puppet state?
Sorry I think I lost my temper for nothing.

Wait, are we talking about me, or the party in general. I personaly like it here do quite a lot to try an help Belgium. As for the party, first of, a lot of the party nowadays aren't acually American. And second, the vast majority of the American FB members acually do help Belgium.

If they want to help belgium then they should leave and go back to eUSA
And here http://www.erepublik.com/fr/article/cinco-de-mayo-pto-alert-1350013/1/20#comments . That kind of practise is disgusting

We are on mutual terms with the Americans. Well, at least I think we are. And yes, +1 to Aldous.

Xgentis, maybe I'm not the best person to talk about that because I'm not here from a long time, but for the few I've heard/read/discussed with some congressmen of FB, they are actually doing what I'm doing too as a real belgian citizen (well... I'm Italian but I live in Belgium ) : to improve eBelgium.

If their intentions were bad, they wouldn't cooperate with us on things like the Office of Immigration or reforms to improve and protect the Constitution.

They take their order from their Strategic Air Command Rod Damon is a good exemple of PTOer

Xgentis Lempereur wrote:They take their order from their Strategic Air Command Rod Damon is a good exemple of PTOer he even has multi-accounts.

I must admit that he is not that trustable, and a lot of people think the same way. But whole FB isn't to blame. I spoke to some of them and they admit that they are only here because they participate to an ATO (in EDEN eye) or PTO (in PHX eye). I still wonder why a lot of them are on the #ato channel promoted by Rod Damon...

BfB doesn't need the PHX votes to win. I didn't request their help, even stated that I didn't want it, so normally they will not vote for us. Only real Belgians are voting for me (or that's what I am hopping)

to say every FB'er is a PTO'er would be wrong
to say not a single FB'er is a PTO'er would be probably wrong
to say that many FB'ers do not have the intention to PTO would probably be correct imo

I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that many RL Americans here are with the intention to make a difference for Belgium in Belgium's interest. Hell, our soon-to-be ex-president was American, if I recall. It's just that the eUSA, being the 4th most populated country with a lot of old crocodiles, can not entertain every one of it's citizins. Thus some have come here, first to execute PTO orders, later because in here, they CAN make a difference. And they have done a hell of a lot of work for us.

Thus I'd say, do not judge the group, judge the personality.

and gtg now, gf inc.

I am sorry if I hurted the felling of some our fellow citizens i reconize I was to extreme every nationality is welcome here only if they want to improve the situation of eBelgium and not trying to put our country under the countrol of some foreign power.

Xgentis Lempereur wrote:I am sorry if I hurted the felling of some our fellow citizens i reconize I was to extreme every nationality is welcome here only if they want to improve the situation of eBelgium and not trying to put our country under the countrol of some foreign power.

+1

My sincere apologies to all of thoses who felt insulted by my posts it wasn't my intention we are all equal no mater who whe are or where we came from. We have to work hard together for one day make our country the best of the eWorld.

Hey

Don't worry they are used to it =P

Yeah, your not as bad as Blackshark.

Also, did I see you say Rod has mulites? He is probally the least likely person to get away with that. Don't you think Phenix have been trying to ban him for months?

Medrolke wrote:Yeah, your not as bad as Blackshark.

Also, did I see you say Rod has mulites? He is probally the least likely person to get away with that. Don't you think Phenix have been trying to ban him for months?

+1 I'm out of town with limited access or I would have been all over this thread earlier. First, welcome to Belgium Xgentis! It's great to see you're fired up about Belgian politics. The wound you are pouring salt has been healing recently despite attempts to reopen it. FB had orgins as a PTO party but I also first came to Belgium on orders from the SAC and no one calls me a PTOer.

FB have been constructive members of Belgium for some time now. A real PTO group intends to do harm to a nation, FB does not wish evil on Belgium. Everyone and their mother has discussed this in detail. You may form your own opinion based on the endless articles and threads and comments. Then get fired up over really exciting stuff like constitutional amendments!!!

I don't really care about what Phoenix or Eden does and again I apologies I was too harsh. I talked whithout thinking and I was wrong.

Xgentis Lempereur wrote:I am sorry if I hurted the felling of some our fellow citizens i reconize I was to extreme every nationality is welcome here only if they want to improve the situation of eBelgium and not trying to put our country under the countrol of some foreign power.

Nice to hear that. But please delete the part in your earlier post where you say that Rod Damon has multi accounts. If you think you have proof, feel free to notify the admins, but as it stands it's simply not true and as a FB congressman I take offense to such an accusation..

It's done but don't think I will stop voicing my concern if I fell something is wrong even it mean I have to displease someone.

Xgentis Lempereur wrote:It's done but don't think I will stop voicing my concern if I fell something is wrong even it mean I have to displease someone.

Of course, you're free to do and say what you want. We must voice the concerns we have in order to move forward and solve problems and misunderstandings, but let's not accuse each other of cheating without proof :-)

It's your right as a human being to have your own opinion, no one here will try to stop you, just please, don't make any accusations unless you can provide proof. Such a thing can get you suspended in-game and doesn't exactly go down well in here.

EDIT: Gregoir got there first

Ok then : Why do you still grant citizenships to American soldiers so that they can come and vote in our country preventing us to grow independante from both the alliances?

Another 14 have been granted today (and yesterday). I still wonder why this is necessary as still no citizenship (or only a few cases, but that may not go over 5 in 4 month) has been agreed to any PHX soldiers?

You are the once promoting a controlled immigration system, but you are the first once not respecting what you are promoting. And if it is introduced, you will be the first once to break it.

True stop granting citizenship to american soldiers and maybe I will stop accusing Free Belgium of being PTOer

Well I did because I'm not bailing on the US yet. I don't know why the SAC wanted me to, but I'm going to continue follow their orders (up to a point, Belgium is on my protection list after all ).

Leave eBelgium immediatly.

There are no constitutional rules for immigration yet, so I didn't break any law. When we do get some rules in place and when we do get PHX to eliminate their tactical voters together with EDEN (which was also a FB proposal), the outside influence will diminish, but claiming that that influence only comes from EDEN is not true.

Check the eRep census and see for yourself that the amount of people outside eBelgium with eBelgian citizenship is still about evenly distributed among the two major alliances.

Medrolke wrote:Well I did because I'm not bailing on the US yet. I don't know why the SAC wanted me to, but I'm going to continue follow their orders (up to a point, Belgium is on my protection list after all ).

So if they tell you to steal the state account or suicide, you would do it?

Apotygma wrote:

Medrolke wrote:Well I did because I'm not bailing on the US yet. I don't know why the SAC wanted me to, but I'm going to continue follow their orders (up to a point, Belgium is on my protection list after all ).

So if they tell you to steal the state account or suicide, you would do it?

No, I would resign from the US military and never go back. (Kinda the point of my protection list)

We don't need EDEN PHOENIX or The Entente or any big alliance members here.