wtf the Q1 food price

by **bruno goethals** 2010-05-16, 20:43

wtf happend to the food prices and the grain price in belguim im out for 4 days and they are up like hell

by Apotygma 2010-05-16, 21:02

all Q1 companies closed down or upgraded because they where losing a lot of money.

Economics

by **Mudduck95** 2010-05-16, 21:18

Well with all the wages going up it looks like that is what is going to happen to most companies. Well at least from how I am looking at it. People need to use True Blue Creations more.

Link: http://truebluecreations.net/index.php

by **Gibberish45** 2010-05-16, 21:26

Belgium needs a workforce....

by **Theneka** 2010-05-16, 21:37

And Communes!! Cheap and decent food for all players!

by **Velitia** 2010-05-16, 22:31

Belgium could go Communist....

by Apotygma 2010-05-16, 22:40

Velitia wrote:Belgium could go Communist....

na, not under my rulling.

by **Velitia** 2010-05-16, 22:42

Apotygma wrote:
Velitia wrote:Belgium could go Communist....

na, not under my rulling.

The main idea of communism in eRepublik is that it makes your citizens gain more $ so they can invest in other international sources thus gaining a higher income than any other country in the world.

by **Reaussou** 2010-05-16, 22:46

Apotygma wrote:
na, not under my rulling.

That's what the Tsars said. And Batista. And Chiang Kai Shek. Smile

by **Velitia** 2010-05-16, 22:53

Reaussou wrote:
Apotygma wrote:
na, not under my rulling.

That's what the Tsars said. And Batista. And Chiang Kai Shek.

lol....

by **Thore Thoreson** 2010-05-16, 23:20

Theneka wrote:And Communes!! Cheap and decent food for all players!

Actually,the way the economic module is set up, the more workers you have, the less efficient your company. A large number of 10 employee companies are FAR more efficient, money wise, than any commune (unless you are running a company full of multis that don't mind getting paid minimum wage forever, but even then there is an upper limit to profitability).

by **Mike Wooldridge** 2010-05-16, 23:21

Oh this is all we need.....
We've had EDEN PTO'ers , Phoenix PTO'ers , please don't tell me the next PTO threat will be bloody eCommunists.

by **Thore Thoreson** 2010-05-16, 23:24

Mike Wooldridge

+1 because I lol'd so hard my wife asked me what was wrong

by **Velitia** 2010-05-16, 23:31

Thore Thoreson wrote:
Theneka wrote:And Communes!! Cheap and decent food for all players!

Actually,the way the economic module is set up, the more workers you have, the less efficient your company. A large number of 10 employee companies are FAR more efficient, money wise, than any commune (unless you are running a company full of multis that don't mind getting paid minimum wage forever, but even then there is an upper limit to profitability).

the idea would consist of multiple companies....

We've had EDEN PTO'ers , Phoenix PTO'ers , please don't tell me the next PTO threat will be bloody eCommunists.

In eRepublik Communism would actually aid countries...

by Eniotna 2010-05-16, 23:46

Mike Wooldridge wrote:Oh this is all we need.....
We've had EDEN PTO'ers , Phoenix PTO'ers , please don't tell me the next PTO threat will be bloody eCommunists.

You should have thought of that before letting Theneka enter the country Razz

by **Reaussou** 2010-05-17, 00:26

Self-providing, isolated and autarchistic.

Would be awesome.

by **Aldous Zamiatin** 2010-05-17, 03:02

Communism isn't necessarily imply huge state run companies, a number of small communes (companies with 10 employees) would be as "communistic" but more successful Wink

by **Thore Thoreson** 2010-05-17, 03:42

Or we could let the market find equilibrium. If the workers are there, and the demand is there, the supply will be there.

by **Mudduck95** 2010-05-17, 13:44

I think that everything would be ok if we just get the wages down some how.

What you guys think?

by counterstriker 2010-05-17, 15:03

Mudduck95 wrote:I think that everything would be ok if we just get the wages down some how.

What you guys think?

i disagree we have to stay competitive i can understand that, but having decent wages is a vital element for attracting foreigners, and the amount of people whe have now is it not enough to say that we don't need to be competitive on the international job market.

by **Helviro** 2010-05-17, 16:55

I don't think the wages are the actual problem.
It's the combination of all factors.

@ mudduck: indeed truebluecreations.net is a really easy and handy tool to use.

The way I see it, state should stimulate the growth of small companies by giving an investment refund if the company is run in a good manner for let's say 20 days.

If the manager can show figurewise he's starting a new company and does everything he should (create employment, get products on the market at fair prices etc, a percentage of the initial investment (up to 10 gold or so) could be refunded. Not exactly government control, but creating an entrepreneurial (i'm sure this is spelled wrong, but who cares) stimulating environment.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2010-05-17, 17:01

counterstriker wrote:
Mudduck95 wrote:I think that everything would be ok if we just get the wages down some how.

What you guys think?

i disagree we have to stay competitive i can understand that, but having decent wages is a vital element for attracting foreigners, and the amount of people whe have now is it not enough to say that we don't need to be competitive on the international job market.

I have to agree with counterstriker .
I wouldn't want to come work in Belgium for the current wages.
In South Africa (where the wages are extremely high at the moment) I earn 30 ZAR (0.6 gold) a day, in Belgium I would earn at my current skill 17 BEF (~0.33 gold) a day.

by **Mudduck95** 2010-05-18, 00:14

Yes I agree with the whole earning more is great thing but if a company pays its employees a lot then the company is not making any profit off that employee and if they do that for all the employees then the company is not making any money which in the long run is not good for the employees.

by **Gibberish45** 2010-05-18, 00:38

Hmmm... I don't understand why wages are higher in SA while prices are slightly lower. (the ZAR and BEF are worth the same)

Maybe Apo can shed some light on this as our resident economist. My best guess would be somehow the huge diamond market drives wages up and wealthy workers can afford higher prices for goods.

They also have more than double our citizens.

by **Velitia** 2010-05-18, 02:13

Helviro wrote:I don't think the wages are the actual problem.
It's the combination of all factors.

@ mudduck: indeed truebluecreations.net is a really easy and handy tool to use.

The way I see it, state should stimulate the growth of small companies by giving an investment refund if the company is run in a good manner for let's say 20 days.

If the manager can show figurewise he's starting a new company and does everything he should (create employment, get products on the market at fair prices etc, a percentage of the initial investment (up to 10 gold or so) could be refunded. Not exactly government control, but creating an entrepreneurial (i'm sure this is spelled wrong, but who cares) stimulating environment.

that might actually do good, it would increase competition of jobs in eBelgium drastically to a point where wages keep jumping up and thus attracting new people.

by Apotygma 2010-05-18, 07:38

Gibberish45 wrote:Hmmm... I don't understand why wages are higher in SA while prices are slightly lower. (the ZAR and BEF are worth the same)

Maybe Apo can shed some light on this as our resident economist. My best guess would be somehow the huge diamond market drives wages up and wealthy workers can afford higher prices for goods.

They also have more than double our citizens.

Because there are more high quality companies over there. Here there are to few which allows them to set lower wages and make bigger profits. Normally Q1 companies cannot compete to have skilll 7+ people, in Belgium they can.

by **Innos28** 2010-05-18, 13:02

now i'm confused

What does the quality of the companies have to do with the wages.

A employee in Q2 manu or constr companie produces half the amount he would produce in a Q1.
A third in a Q3.
etc.

So why would a employee in a Q1 earn less???

by Eniotna 2010-05-18, 13:26

Innos28 wrote:now i'm confused

What does the quality of the companies have to do with the wages.

A employee in Q2 manu or constr companie produces half the amount he would produce in a Q1.
A third in a Q3.
etc.

So why would a employee in a Q1 earn less???

Because the employee will lose less wellness (meaning he won't need to buy expensive high Q food and houses). (I think Razz

)

by Apotygma 2010-05-18, 13:57

Yes Innos, indeed you produce less, but you have a faaar higher margin on your products with a Q5 company than a Q1 !

It is lowering this margin that allows high quality companies to reign on skill 6-7 market in other countries.

by **Velitia** 2010-05-19, 07:31

What if we were to boost the ratio and become a self-dependent economy with only outside companies for raw materials?

by Apotygma 2010-05-19, 08:01

Velitia wrote:What if we were to boost the ratio and become a self-dependent economy with only outside companies for raw materials?

We would have a big lack of employees ^^

by **Velitia** 2010-05-20, 01:09

Well we become self dependent on our companies.. Say we have 50 Employees at skill 4. We would need to have 10 work at a Q3 Food Company, 10 at a Q2 food company, 10 at a Moving Ticket company, 10 in guns, and 10 in woods. We can use foreign labour for raw materials....

by counterstriker 2010-05-20, 01:49

Velitia wrote:Well we become self dependent on our companies.. Say we have 50 Employees at skill 4. We would need to have 10 work at a Q3 Food Company, 10 at a Q2 food company, 10 at a Moving Ticket company, 10 in guns, and 10 in woods. We can use foreign labour for raw materials....

unfortunatly not all sectors pay the same, and people tend to go for sectors that offer more money.

by **Gibberish45** 2010-05-20, 01:57

Apotygma wrote:
Velitia wrote:What if we were to boost the ratio and become a self-dependent economy with only outside companies for raw materials?

We would have a bigger lack of employees ^^

by **Velitia** 2010-05-20, 04:47

Well all it is, is just organizing our Industrial Capacity to serve ourselves... But the idea of giving people money for operating a company here would work. It would probably be like get 10 operation workers and work for a month and you get a full reimbursement or like up to 40g. However it would need to be profitable. We would get a ton of companies opening up in Belgium. Now as labour becomes more scarce job wages would rise in competition. If we did an extensive advertising campaign we could convince 100s to move to eBelgium for a higher paying job.

by **Gibberish45** 2010-05-20, 05:45

Velitia wrote:Well all it is, is just organizing our Industrial Capacity to serve ourselves... But the idea of giving people money for operating a company here would work. It would probably be like get 10 operation workers and work for a month and you get a full reimbursement or like up to 40g. However it would need to be profitable.

If it could be profitable sensible people would have already started the companies you wish to see, this has been proposed before (and recently)

40 gold? Belgium doesn't have that kind of money to piss away

Velitia wrote:. Now as labour becomes more scarce job wages would rise in competition. If we did an extensive advertising campaign we could convince 100s to move to eBelgium for a higher paying job

Labor is already scarce and while wages are high, they aren't high enough to convince people to move here. The biggest draw to Belgium is probably that aspiring politicians can make their mark easily as the government is always in need of more active people.

by Apotygma 2010-05-20, 07:51

Labor is already scarce and while wages are high, they aren't high enough to convince people to move here. The biggest draw to Belgium is probably that aspiring politicians can make their mark easily as the government is always in need of more active people.

We even have the lowest wages around the world...

by counterstriker 2010-05-20, 22:41

Apotygma wrote:
Labor is already scarce and while wages are high, they aren't high enough to convince people to move here. The biggest draw to Belgium is probably that aspiring politicians can make their mark easily as the government is always in need of more active people.

We even have the lowest wages around the world...

not suprising them that we don't attract citizens, i know off rl belgiums that go life in other nations cause they can earn more.

by counterstriker 2010-05-20, 22:41

Apotygma wrote:
Labor is already scarce and while wages are high, they aren't high enough to convince people to move here. The biggest draw to Belgium is probably that aspiring politicians can make their mark easily as the government is always in need of more active people.

We even have the lowest wages around the world...

not suprising them that we don't attract citizens, i know off rl belgiums that go life in other nations cause they can earn more.

by **Velitia** 2010-05-21, 02:29

Ouch.... This is making me start to want to go back to eGreece...

by **kabouter_wesley** 2010-05-23, 09:42

Q4 and Q5 prices are very low atm

by **Manong Z** 2010-05-23, 13:59

I tl;dr'ed through the comments but I had connections with the Q1 company owners whilst I was still alive. and we talked about how there were very few competition thus he/she/they was/were able to manipulate the price at his/her/their satisfaction(s) (and to add that, not much people buy the Q1 food anymore).

by **kabouter_wesley** 2010-05-26, 16:55

Import tax on food must raise to higher income of foodcompanies , a raise in wage will compensate higher prices.

by **07raul07** 2010-05-26, 17:01

Please put up a debate for this. With just putting up a vote ingame, the chance for it to pass is very low.

And actually the rules are to discuss this first...

by **JHemelhof** 2010-05-26, 17:03

It would be more logical to lower the tax and to attract foreign companies. There are many companies that would love to sell their food here Wink

I will work my own plan out.

by **kabouter_wesley** 2010-05-26, 17:09

How would you want to get higher wages if companies have more competitors and so less margin to give higher wages?

by **JHemelhof** 2010-05-26, 17:14

kabouter_wesley wrote:How would you want to get higher wages if companies have more competitors and so less margin to give higher wages?

When there are more competitors the price will drop so we don't need the higher wages: we can buy more food with the same amount of money.

by Apotygma 2010-05-26, 17:24

JHemelhof wrote:
kabouter_wesley wrote:How would you want to get higher wages if companies have more competitors and so less margin to give higher wages?

When there are more competitors the price will drop so we don't need the higher wages: we can buy more food with the same amount of money.

That's not what they are talking about ^^ For JHemelhof : indeed only margins will be lower for company owners and higher for employees ^^

by **kabouter_wesley** 2010-06-01, 11:40

food prices lowered or am i wrong???

by Apotygma 2010-06-01, 11:45

ho indeed he lowered the price of his Q5 food.

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