Review of Admins

It is about time we have one ! can congress look into that please

No.

No.

what you both refuse a review even if afterwards it could remain the same ?

Jofroi wrote:No.

Olv007 wrote:No.

Why doesn't that surprise me this sort of response without any argument why.

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:

Jofroi wrote:No.

Olv007 wrote:No.

Why doesn't that surprise me this sort of response without any argument why.

i would like a review of it. Maybe a trial for new players picked by congress. Belgium is not the same as it once was when you where all put in place. I think is time to see if the newer members can do this job and if they can do it more fairly. This is not a demand but to look into it to see if it can be improved

Nothing is fair or not fair in the admin job.
It's not a moderation job, it's an administrative job.
The job is correctly done for now, and since 2 years (masking, creating forums, etc...).

ThomasRED wrote:Nothing is fair or not fair in the admin job.
It's not a moderation job, it's an administrative job.
The job is correctly done for now, and since 2 years (masking, creating forums, etc...).

i think political views are getting in the way now and i would like to see new players or neutral players like maryamQ or Critically to take over. That is why i would like a review and maybe a trial for players like this. I think if the Admins want what is best for belgium they will let this take place.

* admins refrain themselves from moderation if possible already
* there are no political actions from the admins in their admin work

=> you're argument doesn't make sense

Some still abuse there power, besides dont you think its time for a change ?

we recently had a change, with allowing congress to vote mods...

NLSP wrote:we recently had a change, with allowing congress to vote mods...

thats mods not admins -_____- just let a review take place your not even losing power

well, review what you want to review
I am not stopping you to do your review

jamster737 wrote:Some still abuse there power

this

why is there a need to change admins?
they are doing there job, and they're doing it good

and i don't see how admins can be influenced by political situations, i mean, they never refused to give someone his congressmask
they don't close topics because they don't like the person who started it

i don't get your point jamster
change to change isn't good, especially when the current situation is good!

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:

Jofroi wrote:No.

Olv007 wrote:No.

Why doesn't that surprise me this sort of response without any argument why.

Because the question was also without any argument... duh

And +1 @Tecuvo

You want to add MaryamQ as admin because she is nice, but can she deal with code for announcement, with forum administration, ip checks for multies, creating subforums, managing the portal, etc... ? I'm not doing she is not, but its to give you examples...

You guys think that being Admin is having power, but there is nothing related with eRep to be admin...

To be fair or not is for moderators, who have to deal with reports.
As admin, there is no area for subjectivity.

The work is done, and the forum will have it 2year birthday next month !

Why do we need admins if all they do is give masks and create forums? Both those things take seconds (3 minutes at most) to do. Why not just hand over those functions to the current moderators as well?

M.Leviathin wrote:Why do we need admins if all they do is give masks and create forums? Both those things take seconds (3 minutes at most) to do. Why not just hand over those functions to the current moderators as well?

because NLSP and TR are power-hungry... duh

ThomasRED wrote:You want to add MaryamQ as admin because she is nice, but can she deal with code for announcement, with forum administration, ip checks for multies, creating subforums, managing the portal, etc... ? I'm not doing she is not, but its to give you examples...

Simple answer: No, she cannot, nor does she have the time or the wish to learn.

tecuvo wrote:why is there a need to change admins?
they are doing there job, and they're doing it good

I concur.


Jamster, can you explain what you mean by having this review done ? What's the use of it ?

This is an excellent idea, you have my full support.

Procuste wrote:

tecuvo wrote:why is there a need to change admins?
they are doing there job, and they're doing it good

I concur.


Jamster, can you explain what you mean by having this review done ? What's the use of it ?

We will look at if the admins are doing a good job and see if others (who want to do it) would be good. So we would do a congress vote and let the people who are voted in be a "trial" admin and then decide which group does a better job.

ThomasRED wrote:You want to add MaryamQ as admin because she is nice, but can she deal with code for announcement, with forum administration, ip checks for multies, creating subforums, managing the portal, etc... ? I'm not doing she is not, but its to give you examples...

>lol implying that's a hard thing to do


HOHOHOHO

no seriously, I could teach a monkey how to do that in 5 minutes (and I'm not even joking. If you can teach a monkey to change the TV channel you can teach them this in far less time)

With forummotion, managing a forum because so simple that even a mentally retarded patient with a IQ of 40 can do it.

ThomasRED wrote:
You guys think that being Admin is having power, but there is nothing related with eRep to be admin...

To be fair or not is for moderators, who have to deal with reports.
As admin, there is no area for subjectivity.

The work is done, and the forum will have it 2year birthday next month !

2 years of oppressive admins, power hunger, elitism and admin abuse.

yup, reasons to celebrate

tecuvo wrote:why is there a need to change admins?
they are doing there job, and they're doing it good

They aren't.

tecuvo wrote:
and i don't see how admins can be influenced by political situations, i mean, they never refused to give someone his congressmask
they don't close topics because they don't like the person who started it

they sometimes do. Ditto with warnings. it's always the same ppl that get warnings around here.

Also, no admins can't be influenced by political situations, but they are here to represent the community, hence they should be elected by the community.

As I have been saying since the beginning, a forum admin should not take part in the political side of eBe. So if you want to be an admin you should not be part of congress or the government.

For me Innos is our only true admin. I don't understand why we need so many more.

I understand your opinion aVegan, however not everyone shares that opinion.
Innos is sadly not always active, what is understandable but also influences his job (that he stills do greatly)
We had also in the past comments that an admin should be an active member of this community.
Furthermore, with having more then one admin, tasks are done much faster. I remember lately that a CM complained that with new congress, every CM was removed and he wasn't immediately added, well after a CM signed in, an admin needs to see it. That takes some time.

NLSP wrote:I understand your opinion aVegan, however not everyone shares that opinion.
Innos is sadly not always active, what is understandable but also influences his job (that he stills do greatly)
We had also in the past comments that an admin should be an active member of this community.
Furthermore, with having more then one admin, tasks are done much faster. I remember lately that a CM complained that with new congress, every CM was removed and he wasn't immediately added, well after a CM signed in, an admin needs to see it. That takes some time.

I still don't see the need for the number of admins we have now, we have 2 forum owners and 4 admins (2 forum owners are also admin). There just is no way in hellheck you can justify that number of forum admins in my not so humble opinion.

What does a forum admin do? They give forum masking and add and delete forums that is what they do. Forum masking is done mainly after elections with a very few exceptions of new citizens needing citizen masking. Masking is nothing more then adding people to a usergroup to they have the appropriate rights, that is all it is. As for adding and removing new forums that almost never happens, if it's done once every 2 months that would be a lot.

One person out of the 30 elected people complained, some people are just too impatient. If they can't wait for however long it takes then that's their problem. I might want to point out that the person who complained hadn't even signed in yet so it was his own fault.

aVegan wrote:As I have been saying since the beginning, a forum admin should not take part in the political side of eBe. So if you want to be an admin you should not be part of congress or the government.

For me Innos is our only true admin. I don't understand why we need so many more.

Innos is extremely biased towards ppl he doesn't like

The only real good admin is pieter. He's not politically active either, and he's online 24/7

Pieter is like a bot and he's liked by all sides in eBE.


The only reason to hate pieter is because he's trolling us by allowing misspiggy in #eBrussels, but that doesn't concern the forum.

shadowukcs wrote:

aVegan wrote:As I have been saying since the beginning, a forum admin should not take part in the political side of eBe. So if you want to be an admin you should not be part of congress or the government.

For me Innos is our only true admin. I don't understand why we need so many more.

Innos is extremely biased towards ppl he doesn't like

The only real good admin is pieter. He's not politically active either, and he's online 24/7

Pieter is like a bot and he's liked by all sides in eBE.


The only reason to hate pieter is because he's trolling us by allowing misspiggy in #eBrussels, but that doesn't concern the forum.

I don't really know Pieter, while I think he was already around the last time I was here. Actually that is a good reference to be a good admin. So you might be right.

As for Innos. I have had serious problems with him in the past but I have to say he was always fair (I think it was mostly me who was wrong). Yes he is strict and thinks he is god on the forum but actually a forum admin has to be god (that is why it is so important that they aren't active in politics or any other important part of our eLife).

Innos is a horrible admin. Half of the time he gives warnings in discussions he can't follow, usually he gives warnings for the silliest posts (banning ppl from the forum) and when you risk asking questions about his position of admin he goes berserk because he refuses to even give in a small bit of power.

I would like to see Pieter and innos as the only admins as long as innos lets the mods handle the warnings. Maybe one forum owner aswell. I think some use there powers to troll and are one sided.

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aVegan wrote:The only reason to hate pieter is because he's trolling us by allowing misspiggy in #eBrussels, but that doesn't concern the forum.

Why? I paid to have misspiggy!

Anyway, let the Admins be, they run the place just fine.
Sure, some problems may arise if they cannot bare with some critics (So I've heard) but I can hardly see them removed from their positions after all their hard work and dedication to the making of this forum.

jamster737 wrote:I would like to see Pieter and innos as the only admins as long as innos lets the mods handle the warnings. Maybe one forum owner aswell. I think some use there powers to troll and are one sided.

+1

Innos is extremely biased towards ppl he doesn't like

Good thinkg I like you then

As for admin needing special skills, it all depends. Forum administration requires all sorts of skills. So I'm pretty sure everyone here on this forum would be able to add something to the admin team. You don't have to be technical, you can be a social admin as well, etc..


Bout the forum owner thing.
The reason we have 2 is because we need to make sure we don't lose the forum logins. Maybe one of us gets drunk and drives against a tree ... or something less lethal makes one of us leave.

Also for the really important thing on the forum I like to have votes with my fellow admins and forum owners. I find it important that we have enough admins, representing the whole community. For a decent vote I find that 4-5 people would be a decent minimum.

Who are currently the forum owners? I guess it is written somewhere but I can't seem to find it

Currently ThomasRED (replaced Manong) and me are forum owners.

I need to say I don't like this constant shift in forum owners.
Is Manong gone forever?

Innos28 wrote:Currently ThomasRED (replaced Manong) and me are forum owners.

i would say TR as owner and you and Pieter as admins and the current mods are fine

If really needed, I can contact Manong. I doubt however it's needed. This CP fully supports the current forum owners and admin team.

jamster737 wrote:

Innos28 wrote:Currently ThomasRED (replaced Manong) and me are forum owners.

i would say TR as owner and you and Pieter as admins and the current mods are fine

But how can someone be owner when he wasn't even admin a year ago? Only forum founders should have the privilege of becoming forum owners. I also think it isn't a good idea to put such a controversial member in control of the complete community.

aVegan wrote:I need to say I don't like this constant shift in forum owners.
Is Manong gone forever?

Manong still pops in once and a while.

But he retired from being a forum owner.

Ward De Bever wrote:If really needed, I can contact Manong. I doubt however it's needed. This CP fully supports the current forum owners and admin team.

no shock there Ward personaly i would like to see there to be one admin owner and then a change of admins every 6 months (half a year)

Maybe a bit on-topic Jamster, but areas would you like to review?

Innos28 wrote:Maybe a bit on-topic Jamster, but areas would you like to review?

i would like to look into if the admins are doing the job or abusing there powers. I would also like a review to be done to see if there are to many admins

jamster737 wrote:

Innos28 wrote:Maybe a bit on-topic Jamster, but areas would you like to review?

i would like to look into if the admins are doing the job or abusing there powers. I would also like a review to be done to see if there are to many admins

How could they abuse it?

Jofroi wrote:

jamster737 wrote:

Innos28 wrote:Maybe a bit on-topic Jamster, but areas would you like to review?

i would like to look into if the admins are doing the job or abusing there powers. I would also like a review to be done to see if there are to many admins

How could they abuse it?

By locking topics after another admin starts a slander campaign (I know I really would like to use another word, but slander is slander).
By leaving the citizens mask to members who aren't citizens.

These are only two examples that happened today...

By leaving the citizens mask to members who aren't citizens.

This is because it's very hard to see if members change their in-game citizenship.
To check this, we would need to reguraly chaeck the whole member list for their citizenships. Needless to say this is not done very often.

It is mostly only when a fellow member adress us (the admin) of a citizeship change, that we update the usergroup.

Innos28 wrote:

By leaving the citizens mask to members who aren't citizens.

This is because it's very hard to see if members change their in-game citizenship.
To check this, we would need to reguraly chaeck the whole member list for their citizenships. Needless to say this is not done very often.

It is mostly only when a fellow member adress us (the admin) of a citizeship change, that we update the usergroup.

I understand but here it is about an admin who keeps his citizens mask while he isn't a citizen anymore. So it shouldn't be hard to know this. Our current CP even thinks it is a good idea to leave the citizen mask because it is such an excellent member. What???

you are right Avegan. His Citizen mask was removed. Thx for notifying this.

Monsieur Guillotine wrote:

M.Leviathin wrote:Why do we need admins if all they do is give masks and create forums? Both those things take seconds (3 minutes at most) to do. Why not just hand over those functions to the current moderators as well?

because NLSP and TR are power-hungry... duh

Who is saying this?????
Please be carfull with youre words MG and take a mirror.