Air strikes

Plato | 8 minutes ago
Dear President,

A group of scientists have developed an air force capable of carrying armies across continents.
Given the required resources, they will make attacking over borders possible.

You will have one week before non governmental organizations will boycott these actions.

How will this work more exactly?

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Airstrike

Regards,
The eRepublik Team.

I got this PM (no, I'm not a president plato made a mistake )
are we going to do something with it?

I say, let's conquer NL :p

anyway this is stupid, why would we attack someone wich we don't have borders with ? No resource bonus, so no real adventages

+ you sure this is real ? :p

Critically wrote:I say, let's conquer NL :p

anyway this is stupid, why would we attack someone wich we don't have borders with ? No resource bonus, so no real adventages

+ you sure this is real ? :p

Attack Poland!

Critically wrote:you sure this is real ? :p

plato send it, so it seems pretty real

Critically wrote:anyway this is stupid, why would we attack someone wich we don't have borders with ? No resource bonus, so no real adventages

yeah...

Except for countries that were so desperate with close to permanent occupation in their own territory that they wanted to migrate some place else. This would for example have provided a shortcut to Mexico for Croatia... or a shortcut to BE & NL for Hungary... or a shortcut... you surely get the general idea.

But hey maybe food will be worth something in the future and eBe will be occupied by South Korea or something.

Or it can provide for a new training war mechanism. ^^

NLSP wrote:

Critically wrote:you sure this is real ? :p

plato send it, so it seems pretty real

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php?title=Airstrike&action=history

Xtasia created the wiki page so it seems pretty real...

Nohjis wrote:

NLSP wrote:

Critically wrote:you sure this is real ? :p

plato send it, so it seems pretty real

http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php?title=Airstrike&action=history

Xtasia created the wiki page so it seems pretty real...

yea, well on the fb page of eRepublik it's posted also, so it is real

okey, now we have figured out that it's real.
Are we going to do something with it?

Yeah.... We will conquer Serbia (?

Seems like a massive waste of money to me.

Belgium doesn't attack neighboring countries already, then invest for distants attacks .. WHY?

dOuki wrote:Belgium doesn't attack neighboring countries already, then invest for distants attacks .. WHY?

We might win against a weaker country...

This is pretty lame. You can't get the resource bonus, so yeah it's waste of money.

Nohjis wrote:
We might win against a weaker country...

Sure... mmh wait, which country? ^^

Nohjis wrote:We might win against a weaker country...

We can only win against Netherlands no ? Which contries can we fight ?

Jofroi wrote:

Nohjis wrote:
We might win against a weaker country...

Sure... mmh wait, which country? ^^

Plenty of choice...

55 Belgium 99 50,600,180
56 Malaysia 93 48,637,230
57 Bolivia 87 48,245,120
58 North Korea 25 47,725,200 Wiped
59 Montenegro 130 46,821,870
60 Peru 210 44,538,220
61 Norway 75 43,397,650
62 Austria 97 42,235,580
63 Egypt 59 40,331,100
64 Switzerland 61 37,957,600
65 Pakistan 61 24,143,810
66 Czech Republic 60 20,254,470
67 Saudi Arabia 39 17,666,790
68 Singapore 33 16,080,120
69 Uruguay 106 14,930,220
70 Denmark 26 5,918,340 Wiped

Didn't notice that.

How u see theses statistics ?

dOuki wrote:Didn't notice that.

How u see theses statistics ?

stats from eGov. Country daily stats (http://egov4you.info/top/daily)

Thanks. So, what about NE on Netherlands and keep all their countries?
(Austria and Swiss not too far, but attack France = suicide) !

Let`s attack Uruguay or Thailand to get rubber from Thailand

dOuki wrote:Thanks. So, what about NE on Netherlands and keep all their countries?
(Austria and Swiss not too far, but attack France = suicide) !

Not a good idea, eNL is stronger then is.
They also have a lot of strong fighters in the USA

Gyantse wrote:Let`s attack Uruguay or Thailand to get rubber from Thailand

Nope, doesnt border us so it wont give us a resource bonus.

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:

dOuki wrote:Thanks. So, what about NE on Netherlands and keep all their countries?
(Austria and Swiss not too far, but attack France = suicide) !

Not a good idea, eNL is stronger then is.
They also have a lot of strong fighters in the USA

Who talked about eUSA?
We really cant beat eNL?

I'd expect that eBE will get invaded via airstrike... some remote country looking to establish a foothold in europe. Not for resources, but to open a second/third/fourth front against ePoland.

As part of that threat... I'd suggest signing more MPPs to make us less of a tempting target, and setting up a war reserve fund.

indeed, our position can be very interesting for such a strategy, and I am afraid it will happen

dOuki wrote:

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:

dOuki wrote:Thanks. So, what about NE on Netherlands and keep all their countries?
(Austria and Swiss not too far, but attack France = suicide) !

Not a good idea, eNL is stronger then is.
They also have a lot of strong fighters in the USA

Who talked about eUSA?
We really cant beat eNL?

a lot of former eNL players that are still loyal/connected with eNL are now US citizens.
It is therefore important to know that if eNL is being under real attack, their strength is increased with these people.

If we do this make sure that one of these "weaker" nations don't have a to close alliance with a much more powerfull nation.
We might end up wiped instead of expanded.
Remember, we are a small country in every possible way despite what statistics say.

Anyway, the "Air strikes" thing in general does open a lot more windows. I think.

when we do an airstrike, our territory can't be attacked
we can only loose what we had won

NLSP wrote:when we do an airstrike, our territory can't be attacked
we can only loose what we had won

yeah sure... and when the fight is over we're doomed. If you really want to attack another country it has:
a) to be less strong.
b) to have no allies whatsoever (so we won't face retaliation).

What we should do is staying realistic and getting more MPP's. As mentioned before, Belgium could be a good strategic position for other countries, so we must stay vigilant.


And please stop putting stupid trolling in discussions, it really does no good to the debate. So stay on topic!

Go for Uruguay

At least one positive thing: gold price is lowering

And this article is very interesting as well: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/airstrike-all-you-need-to-know--2098847/1/20

As you can see, the price of such AS can be very high depending on the countries health. Would be interesting if someone can calculate how much money it will cost for eBE to attack another country.

There's more info about this by Xtasia herself on the topic she made on the eUSA forum

goopypants wrote:I'd expect that eBE will get invaded via airstrike... some remote country looking to establish a foothold in europe. Not for resources, but to open a second/third/fourth front against ePoland.

As part of that threat... I'd suggest signing more MPPs to make us less of a tempting target, and setting up a war reserve fund.

I AGREE! GOOD THING WE'ALL GOT A HUGE GOLD STOCK IN OUR TREASURY TO FALL BACK ON...




oh wai...


Don't say I didn't told you so.

(and then we're not even mentioning that if poland is smart, they'd conquer us ourselves because we form a huge reliability)

Olv007 wrote:At least one positive thing: gold price is lowering

And this article is very interesting as well: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/airstrike-all-you-need-to-know--2098847/1/20.

indd, it has been dropping for 2-3 weeks now, if only our MoF would have been so smart to have actually changed our CC reserves back to gold reserves...

shadowukcs wrote:indd, it has been dropping for 2-3 weeks now, if only our MoF would have been so smart to have actually changed our CC reserves back to gold reserves...

Don't speak about what the MoF is doing before looking at the sheets. We don't need 2k in gold reserves that's just stupid, the state will not spend that much gold in the near future. Pay your loan back and I'll buy 80 more Gold with it.

And if I'm not mistaken, the state already bought some gold on the MM a couple of days ago.

Nohjis wrote:

shadowukcs wrote:indd, it has been dropping for 2-3 weeks now, if only our MoF would have been so smart to have actually changed our CC reserves back to gold reserves...

Don't speak about what the MoF is doing before looking at the sheets. We don't need 2k in gold reserves that's just stupid, the state will not spend that much gold in the near future. Pay your loan back and I'll buy 80 more Gold with it.

fair enough, I checked the sheet 4 days ago, there wasn't any exchanges then. But hey, it's a good thing someone finally started doing something about it. So I can only applaud that.

and we do actually need that much gold (well, maybe not 2k, but I think the recent events showed that a 1k reserve is a minimum) and wasn't it you who said at the time that the "we didn't really needed the cc?"


Oh and gj, making this topic once again about me. I think most people here have had it with that topic, but if you want to bring it up again, fine by me.




Oh and has our great MoF already noticed that with prices and wages going down drastically, tax income will go down drastically as well. It saddens me that I should be the one who should, yet again, be the one telling you guys this, but when you have 3 mil treasury and you spend 300 000 BEF a month on BNA, and then some more on the various other projects (cit packs, MPP's, MoFun,... and, if I hope there's any sense of intelligence in the MoD, para funding as well, in stead of paying those with gold again), then you should know that unless you cut on CC funding as well, you'll end up with a similar scenario with your CC reserves as you did with your gold reserves.

what's that dutch saying again about the donkey and the stone?

I think our great MoF already noticed that, as he hires people himself probably

Critically wrote:I think our great MoF already noticed that, as he hires people himself probably

well then, why aren't there any proposals to reduce CC-spending in congress atm?

Maybe gold is now top-priority, we have enough time to take care of the CC

shadowukcs wrote:Oh and has our great MoF already noticed that with prices and wages going down drastically, tax income will go down drastically as well. It saddens me that I should be the one who should, yet again, be the one telling you guys this, but when you have 3 mil treasury and you spend 300 000 BEF a month on BNA, and then some more on the various other projects (cit packs, MPP's, MoFun,... and, if I hope there's any sense of intelligence in the MoD, para funding as well, in stead of paying those with gold again), then you should know that unless you cut on CC funding as well, you'll end up with a similar scenario with your CC reserves as you did with your gold reserves.

what's that dutch saying again about the donkey and the stone?

I don't specifically want to go there. Do what the SC asked of you and you can follow and orient the congress debate on the budget revisions that the MoF has prepared for congress. You'll always be a step too late if you don't.

If I took back up MoF it's to take up the challenge for what I asked the previous administrations to do two months ago when I ended my previous term as MoF. The origin of the overspending problem starts a bit over two months ago at the end of my previous term (decrease from 50k/day income to 40k/day at the time and now further to 10k/day and maybe even less soon).

Nohjis wrote:
I don't specifically want to go there. Do what the SC asked of you and you can follow and orient the congress debate on the budget revisions that the MoF has prepared for congress. You'll always be a step too late if you don't.

nah, it's much more funnier now to watch it. I already know what will happen: someone will propose necessary cuts, which will eventually lead to someone bringing up cuts in the para funding. One or two people will have the right idea on where to cut (namely where the biggest expenses are). TR will suddenly become very active again, defending para funding and manipulating people with false/modified/poorly explained statistics, then threaten to leave eBE ("I make more money abroad"), or give some emotional speech about the necessity of high para funding ("look at how much strenght we've already gained from this" "look at this sheet to see how much damage we did." "look at how much we improved over the months"...) ... then he'll manipulate the rest of eBE into following his idea, eventually even getting those one or two smart people along as well.

Then in a month or 3, your budget will be gone and I'll have a chance to say "told you so again".

classic predictable eBE. funny part is: most people here know it's true but still manage to fall for it in the end.

Nohjis wrote:
If I took back up MoF it's to take up the challenge for what I asked the previous administrations to do two months ago when I ended my previous term as MoF. The origin of the overspending problem starts a bit over two months ago at the end of my previous term (decrease from 50k/day income to 40k/day at the time and now further to 10k/day and maybe even less soon).

hey, I'm not saying you created these problems, but whomever was MoF in the past months could have at least done the math and notice the kind of obvious fact that you've been spending two or three times as much as you've been getting in.

shadowukcs wrote:
Oh and has our great MoF already noticed that with prices and wages going down drastically, tax income will go down drastically as well.

not sure about that, now the wages are going down, I hired people again, something I could not do for months now.
Think more will follow, prices are raising and possible even the raws will become back interesting.
thus this way there will be some more income, hopefully at least the same amount as we loose on the other side

fingers crossed

boer jan wrote:

shadowukcs wrote:
Oh and has our great MoF already noticed that with prices and wages going down drastically, tax income will go down drastically as well.

not sure about that, now the wages are going down, I hired people again, something I could not do for months now.
Think more will follow, prices are raising and possible even the raws will become back interesting.
thus this way there will be some more income, hopefully at least the same amount as we loose on the other side

fingers crossed

2 weeks ago I made a 300 CC wage, now I make a 90 CC wage
2 weeks ago, I sold Q6 for +- 30 CC, now I'm struggling to sell them at 20 CC, with the prices dropping every day.

You don't really need to be an Economics Nobel prize winner to see that this will have drastic consequences for the Tax income. I think we can consider ourselves happy if we even get only half of the income as we did last month.


oh and the only thing rising is FRM. But that's only temporary due to new air strike thing

Misanthropist wrote:Stay on topic. Have your personal arguments somewhere else (preferably in PMs).

how the f*** is this going off-topic? this is a decent, interesting debate.

Fact is that the CC value is currently going up (and for some times). The question is to know if this trend will continue, and how long. This is always the problem of economics^^

http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Bulgaria/113599


first air strike proposed. Bulgaria vs Bolivia


Due to our prime location, I can't think of any other nation a enemy of poland wants to strike more than us....

I bet this is the point where you wish you hadn't listened to TR and blown away all our gold, innit?

In other words you applaud Ward de Bever for having put aside so many gold in the past?

Olv007 wrote:In other words you applaud Ward de Bever for having put aside so many gold in the past?

not really, he wanted to set aside too much. I'm not pro "saving every penny you make" either. I'm for a healthy balance.


And if I recall well, Ward set a barrier of 1k gold as the minimum that our treasury should have. I think everyone at the time agreed to that. (he initially wanted 1.5k, but lots of bitching brought that down to 1k. I remember the IRC chat we had about it)


anyway, I can understand newer players making the mistake of spending all their gold at once, but seasoned players (like you and several others) should have known by now that the admins like nothing more than to implant sudden and unexpected changes that usually cost insanely large amounts of gold (read: RL money) to adapt too.

Anyone with only half a brain could have seen this coming.

shadowukcs wrote:
And if I recall well, Ward set a barrier of 1k gold as the minimum that our treasury should have. I think everyone at the time agreed to that. (he initially wanted 1.5k, but lots of bitching brought that down to 1k. I remember the IRC chat we had about it)

I have always found Ward barrier way too high (and it was more like 2K ^^). However, at that time, our BEF reserves were almost equal to 0. Currently I think that we are still way richer than we were at those times. (even if I haven't made an exact calculation tbh and I might be wrong)