Re: Air strikes

by **Nohjis** 2012-08-11, 01:18

Jofroi wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:
And if I recall well, Ward set a barrier of 1k gold as the minimum that our treasury should have. I think everyone at the time agreed to that. (he initially wanted 1.5k, but lots of bitching brought that down to 1k. I remember the IRC chat we had about it)

I have always found Ward barrier way too high (and it was more like 2K ^^). However, at that time, our BEF reserves were almost equal to 0. Currently I think that we are still way richer than we were at those times. (even if I haven't made an exact calculation tbh and I might be wrong)

We are a little bit richer then we were at that time. There's about 1m BEF difference.

By the way, the gold reserve is up to almost 1k since this morning as was foreseen in the program of the presidential candidate the eBelgians elected. The Bulgarian CP put 800 Gold on the market for 1089 CC in exchange rate. I'm guessing he needed some money to pay for his airstrike. Wink

This evening goldprice is down some more again, curious how far it will drop.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-11, 02:11

correct me if I'm wrong, but back when ward was MoF, we still sold gold @0.005-0.002

by **tommot** 2012-08-11, 15:18

Really people? Is it so difficult to stay on topic.
This financial stuff is getting further and further away from the original "Air strikes" talk.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-11, 15:58

tommot wrote:Really people? Is it so difficult to stay on topic.
This financial stuff is getting further and further away from the original "Air strikes" talk.

the conclusions about air strikes can p much be summed up 3 points:
-we're f*** because we have a super strategic location from which other nations can strike into the heart of poland (and more importantly their Oil region in the Netherlands, which could do severe damage to the polish and the (former) ONE Economy). Indicating that it would be both in the interest of Poland and it's enemies to attack us.
-We're f*** because we're a small country, which makes us a great practice target for this new feature
-we're f*** because we wasted a lot of our money on TR's stupid schemes.

/thread

by **Jofroi** 2012-08-11, 16:18

Well, with the cost of an airstrike, I'm not sure that they'll be very motivated to attack us tbh^^

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-11, 16:37

Jofroi wrote:Well, with the cost of an airstrike, I'm not sure that they'll be very motivated to attack us tbh^^

depends, if it would mean cutting the polish capitol off it's Oil and all the French regions, I think it's a cost quite a few nations are willing to pay.

by goopypants 2012-08-11, 17:13

Or some country with unfriendly neighbors that is perma-conquered can relocate to our three regions, which is a well established tradition.

Would require a massive RW blitz to get one region, then they all move in and start in on the chocolates and beer here.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-11, 19:05

^what he says

basically the tl;dr version: we're fûcked and not blowing away all our gold on stupid s*** might not be a bad idea

by **Olv007** 2012-08-11, 22:25

shadowukcs wrote:not blowing away all our gold on stupid s*** might not be a bad idea

Too late, we already gave loans to people who don't pay it back.

by **Misanthropist** 2012-08-11, 22:31

Now we know what the risks are, we must take precautions. First things first: We must brief all Belgian citizens of the possible risks of this Air Strike formula. This can happen through the PP's, military commanders and off course through the official channels like the newspaper of the government.

Some other suggestions:

1. The government (especially the MoD) makes sure there is a reserve of q7 weapons which will be distributed when eBelgium faces a serious threat.

2. All military commanders advice the members of their units/troops to safe enough energy bars and bazookas (and any powerbooster) to defend our home country.

3. We must stress mutual agreements with our MPP (and maybe also our neighbours) to help each other in case of an immediate threat.

Any other suggestions?
Do you agree with me?

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-11, 22:32

Olv007 wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:not blowing away all our gold on stupid s*** might not be a bad idea

Too late, we already gave loans to people who don't pay it back.

hue hue hue

low blow, brah

by **Olv007** 2012-08-11, 22:36

It was an easy one, I admit.

by **Misanthropist** 2012-08-11, 22:58

ffs, stay on topic and have your personal jokes in PMs, it is very annoying the debate gets obstructed by these irritating intermezzos.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-12, 03:41

Misanthropist wrote:ffs, stay on topic and have your personal jokes in PMs, it is very annoying the debate gets obstructed by these irritating intermezzos.

who cares? It's a good topic. Most that can be said about the airstrikes has been said. Let it linger a bit. It's not like this discussion turned into a flame war or anything

by **Olv007** 2012-08-12, 06:45

+1 on shad's last comment

Mods are overreacting lately...

by **MaryamQ** 2012-08-12, 07:14

Misanthropist is not a mod.

by **Viridi** 2012-08-12, 07:26

If a problem is occurring, a moderator or admin will sort it out. Until then, please don't backseat mod.

Anyway, we seem to have a bunch of cash already put towards an airstrike. I wonder where it came from.

by **Nohjis** 2012-08-12, 09:43

Viridi wrote:
Anyway, we seem to have a bunch of cash already put towards an airstrike. I wonder where it came from.

That is just the amount of money on the state account. If congress moves it to NBB (not necessary at the moment) it'll be gone from there.

by **Misanthropist** 2012-08-12, 13:03

MaryamQ wrote:Misanthropist is not a mod.

Indeed, I'm only a concerned citizen.

by **MaryamQ** 2012-08-12, 13:12

Misanthropist wrote:
MaryamQ wrote:Misanthropist is not a mod.

Indeed, I'm only a concerned citizen.

And the last I knew, concerned citizens in eBe had a right to an opinion. Wink

by **Nohjis** 2012-08-12, 17:37

MaryamQ wrote:And the last I knew, concerned citizens in eBe had a right to an opinion.

This is just a myth. So are we now entitled to go off topic on the debate about wether or not something is off topic and is the not being able to go offtopicness only for other people ?

Anyways, as for everything else. We have to hope there is no other country that wants to relocate on top of us. There are over 50 countries with a higher damage output then we have. We might liberate ourselves once or twice depending on the money in the treasury but unless we get the help of a sufficient number of genuine allies (you know not the type that just wants to add you to their mercenary medal) we'ld look at permanent occupation in the long term. We'll see if those fervent neutrals are so right about the "protection" it offers.

by **Viridi** 2012-08-12, 18:58

Nobody will take us over.

We would be a waste of money and food.

by **Critically** 2012-08-12, 19:23

Viridi wrote:Nobody will take us over.

We would be a waste of money and food.

nah, countries with no direct border to Poland, and want to take some region from them, will Airstrike us Wink

by **tommot** 2012-08-12, 19:33

They just have to choice there target directly, no need to go through other(eBelgium) country's first.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-12, 19:35

gieb me forum access and I'll share a more than average plan to prevent an attack.

Other than that: I suggest we organise a collective "run around, waving our arms, screaming like little girls that we are doomed and will get horribly raped"-initiative as it would be appropriate for this kind of situation

by **p0lluxx** 2012-08-12, 19:44

MPP with Poland, Spain, Serbia, USA and it can be ok for us, no ?

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-12, 20:08

dOuki wrote:MPP with Poland, Spain, Serbia, USA and it can be ok for us, no ?

not really

when one attacks the other, we risk losing half our mpp's

there are better ways.

by **NLSP** 2012-08-12, 20:14

shadowukcs wrote:gieb me forum access and I'll share a more than average plan to prevent an attack

mhuahahahahahaha

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-12, 20:32

NLSP wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:gieb me forum access and I'll share a more than average plan to prevent an attack
mhuahahahahahaha

fine, don't then. but you know I wouldn't say it if I don't have a more than decent plan already worked out

by **Misanthropist** 2012-08-12, 20:33

shadowukcs wrote:
NLSP wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:gieb me forum access and I'll share a more than average plan to prevent an attack
mhuahahahahahaha

fine, don't then. but you know I wouldn't say it if I don't have a more than decent plan already worked out

If you'd really care about eBelgium you wouldn't make such demands.

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-12, 20:43

Misanthropist wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:
NLSP wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:gieb me forum access and I'll share a more than average plan to prevent an attack
mhuahahahahahaha

fine, don't then. but you know I wouldn't say it if I don't have a more than decent plan already worked out

If you'd really care about eBelgium you wouldn't make such demands.

Not really. If eBE would be taken over, would that be horrible for me? No not really. At it's best we'd get extra bonuses and medal opportunities.

The only people this would be bad for are the role players who wouldn't be able to get elected in the positions of fantasy congressman, fantasy ministers and fantasy SC judges as they would have nothing IG to lever with anymore. In other words: the forum community. Yup, those same ppl that have me banned now.

when will you learn that eBE=/=the forum community?

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-12, 20:50

Misanthropist wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:
NLSP wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:gieb me forum access and I'll share a more than average plan to prevent an attack
mhuahahahahahaha

fine, don't then. but you know I wouldn't say it if I don't have a more than decent plan already worked out

If you'd really care about eBelgium you wouldn't make such demands.

not to mention that telling someone who is in the top 5 of most terms in eBE congress, who has been war time president, several times MoFa, several times MoD, several times basically any positions there is and ever has been, ... that he doesn't care, while you yourself have barely don't anything, is kind of retarded.

just pointing out the obvious. Like when I did when I pointed out that giant whole in your budget that was steering you guys towards bankruptcy

by **NLSP** 2012-08-13, 00:11

shad, you can stop trying this way, you will need to find another tactic to get masked Razz

PS: Maybe is paying back your loan a good start ...

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-13, 01:18

NLSP wrote:shad, you can stop trying this way, you will need to find another tactic to get masked

PS: Maybe is paying back your loan a good start ...

sure, but we know that's unlikely. Especially now that the monetary market has changed. 80K BEF when I loaned it was utterly worthless. 80k now can get you a Q3 + Q1 company. Besides, like I said. I already paid the state more than enough

Either way, I was reading trough the congress section earlier on the state buget topic there. ... My God, I couldn't help face palming myself with the grand levels of stupidity and retardedness in there. In-fucking-credible. Both your plan E and F are insufficient and from the looks of it, there are one or two people (nohjis, goopy,...) who actually even have the slightest clue what they are talking about and not sprouting out random/incorrect uneducated shit like everyone else in that topic. (with you being the turdking)

On top of that, you're short on SO's, your para's are getting dissolved, you should dissolve BYS but can't do it in the end (because you don't got the balls/you're being populist d*cks thinking of your own strenght), mitte thinks about moving to somewhere else when she returns, TR left (wooohoo, now lets hope he makes the right call by also resigning as admin), Crit is thinking about leaving (don't know if I'm allowed to say this but meh, he'll forgive me), Goopy has had it, ... the list goes on

sounds to me like you're in desperate need of some who doesn't fall for populist sh*t and has the experience that might prove useful in getting you of this gigantic pile of turd where you fell into due to inexperienced people making inexperienced decisions.

The way I see it, giving me a mask would be the first intelligent thing this incompetent community would be doing in months. Truth hurts, live with it.

Also, getting back on my "loan". It's funny how you said "It would be great if every SO would do his job for free, however it is unrealistic to expect" in the state buget topic. Because I was SO ... and I didn't got any compensations... I didn't even do it for free... no, I actually had to interest on my loan to supply the soldiers with free guns.

but hey, you wheren't talking about me there. You where talking about Olv. That's soooooooooooo different, rite? *rollseyes*

by **Jofroi** 2012-08-13, 07:07

We're in the summer. At this period of the year, there are always a lot of people who're quitting and the country is rather inactive, it's the same every year^^. (and no this year is not worse).

by **Nohjis** 2012-08-13, 12:04

shadowukcs wrote:The way I see it, giving me a mask would be the first intelligent thing this incompetent community would be doing in months. Truth hurts, live with it.

I'm not in favor of leaving people who can not live up to their contracts without sanctions. Pay back your loan, and I'll be happy to discuss with you in congress about the budget because I do value the opinion of people who think differently.

Also, getting back on my "loan". It's funny how you said "It would be great if every SO would do his job for free, however it is unrealistic to expect" in the state buget topic. Because I was SO ... and I didn't got any compensations... I didn't even do it for free... no, I actually had to interest on my loan to supply the soldiers with free guns.

but hey, you wheren't talking about me there. You where talking about Olv. That's soooooooooooo different, rite? *rollseyes*

Let's not forget you paid yourself 8 Q6 weapons at the start to pay back that first loan. Later you only took 2 Q6 weapons in compensation which is about equivalent to the compensation tecuvo takes in the latest proposal for producing the raws in his own companies. So, no, Olv's position isn't so different from what yours was in the end. And as far as I can remember noone ever forced you to be a supply officer. If people feel a justification for SO compensation it's because in the end it's better to have a transparent compensation rather then ending up giving people a grounds for suspicion about how TR organized supplies for BAF in the past and for paras recently. Let's hope people don't come around in a year to blame MaryamQ.

by **NLSP** 2012-08-13, 18:31

shadowukcs wrote:The way I see it, giving me a mask would be the first intelligent thing this incompetent community would be doing in months.

nop, doesn't work
you will need to try something else

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-13, 19:36

NLSP wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:The way I see it, giving me a mask would be the first intelligent thing this incompetent community would be doing in months.
nop, doesn't work
you will need to try something else

fine, idc. It's not like I don't have access now. There are actually multiple people who allow me to see in congress.

And by all means, do continue f*** up. You're dealing with your state budget in a totally wrong way, you're dealing with BYS the totally wrong way and then I'm not even getting started about these airstrikes.

by **Misanthropist** 2012-08-13, 20:20

shadowukcs wrote:There are actually multiple people who allow me to see in congress.

You mean actual other individuals or alter egos :p
If you mean other individuals, I'd like to know who. It's your duty to report them... ow wait, if it's about you, rules may be broken.

Shad, really, if you care about the safety of our nation, you'd share your ideas anyway. But you place yourself before eBelgium. That says enough. I'm starting to think you don't have any plan at all, besides the urge to get forum access.

by **NLSP** 2012-08-13, 20:34

shadowukcs wrote:
NLSP wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:The way I see it, giving me a mask would be the first intelligent thing this incompetent community would be doing in months.
nop, doesn't work
you will need to try something else

fine, idc

you actually look like you care a lot

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-13, 23:19

Misanthropist wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:There are actually multiple people who allow me to see in congress.

You mean actual other individuals or alter egos :p
If you mean other individuals, I'd like to know who. It's your duty to report them... ow wait, if it's about you, rules may be broken.

ok, you got me. Their names are TR and NLSP

Misanthropist wrote:
Shad, really, if you care about the safety of our nation, you'd share your ideas anyway. But you place yourself before eBelgium. That says enough. I'm starting to think you don't have any plan at all, besides the urge to get forum access.

lol, you should know me better than that by now. Generally, whenever I say I have a solution, I actually do have one. Would be kind of stupid to say "lol no, I don't got anything" and then lose my access anyway. Kind of a moot idea.

by **cliffie** 2012-08-14, 12:14

Who the f**k donated 380.000 BEF to an airstrike nobody will do?
I mean, if somebody has currency to waste, he could sent it to me. I have a better use for it!

http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/military/Belgium

I can upgrade all my companies and training grounds (and repay the debt of shadow).

by **Nohjis** 2012-08-14, 12:18

Nohjis wrote:
Viridi wrote:
Anyway, we seem to have a bunch of cash already put towards an airstrike. I wonder where it came from.

That is just the amount of money on the state account. If congress moves it to NBB (not necessary at the moment) it'll be gone from there.

for emphasis

by **shadowukcs** 2012-08-14, 12:25

cliffie wrote:Who the f**k donated 380.000 BEF to an airstrike nobody will do?
I mean, if somebody has currency to waste, he could sent it to me. I have a better use for it!

http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/military/Belgium

I can upgrade all my companies and training grounds (and repay the debt of shadow).

I believe those "somebodies" are you me, and everyone else on this forum (except all the expats who left but still have access here)

by **Olv007** 2012-08-14, 19:23

There is also 1 BEF from me.

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