[Public politics]Can't we have fair elections?

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 01:32

I would like to ask everyone to stop the slander campaign against me.
I thought these elections where about content.

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 01:48

This is a month ago all over...

Great to see that none of you mind

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 02:06

Although it seems nobody cares here is my official response:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/slander--1623902/1/20

Viva justice or lets call it injustice Sad

by **Xgentis Lempereur** 2011-01-03, 02:10

Yes I don't mind I would like to have some answer as well the citizens have the right to know what happened with the 50 gold it's their money0

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 02:12

But those 50 gold are at eBe Raw. In the other hand 40 (or more) of that gold dissapeared a day after it was returned (thanks to me). Why doesn't anyone ask questions about that?

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 02:26

My question isn't really hard. Do you agree with the comments of TR and Glenn or do you think I should have a fair change?
Don't mind it if you want me to go to hell but please tell!!!!

by **MaryamQ** 2011-01-03, 03:13

No, I don't want you to go to hell, but I would like the truth about what happened so this matter can be closed once and for all. This transfer of gold happened in the first days of my presidency. Although I never really wished to be CP, I feel it is a blot on my record, and that is upsetting to me. The only evidence I have seen suggests that you were involved. That also makes me feel bad, because I have always thought you were my friend, and do not want to feel that I have been played by you. You say you know who took the gold, and it was not you. If that is the case, it is a question of where your loyalty lies, with your friend, or with your country. If it is with your friend, it makes you a good friend, but I'm not sure it makes you a good candidate for CP. The best way for you to have a fair election campaign is to allow a trial, which you had previously wanted, by a Supreme Court. This will give you the opportunity to make your arguments in front of an impartial panel. If you are cleared, then it need never be brought up again, and your campaign can be based on the issues, not on arguments about who is telling the truth and who is not.

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 03:22

A trial already happend. TR was judged, jury and executioner. To start this all over just doesn't seem fair.

My loyalty lies with what I promised. If the gold wouldn't be returned I wouldn't mind breaking that promise but it was returned. Now it seems strange that twice in a row the same thing happens.

If you think that is fair that is up to you. I think this isn't fair at all and looks more like slander than anything else.

Instead of being thankful of helping to recover this gold I am on trial once again for something I did not do.

Now is that fair? Please answer this question without taking in account that I am a friend or not.

by **Manong Z** 2011-01-03, 03:41

Vegan, please stop double posting! Razz

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 03:42

where did I double post?

by **MaryamQ** 2011-01-03, 03:48

Is it fair for you to allow there to be a doubt about the integrity of everyone else who add access to eBe Raw (Theneka, me, Boklevski, Velitia) in order to protect an unnamed third party? Is it fair for that 3rd party to allow you to fight this battle alone? Is it fair for you to ask people to believe you just because you say something is so? There was no trial. There were accusations, yes. That is not a trial. If you feel you were slandered, having a Supreme Court will now allow you to bring charges against anyone who has slandered you.

by **Manong Z** 2011-01-03, 03:49

In my opinion, we all should just move on! I think we should all just stop blaming Vegan or blaming TR, or blaming anyone. Let's just move on. I request for everyone to stop whatever it is that is causing this "slander" misunderstandings. Thank you!

I really don't know what is going on though. Sad

And Vegan, this is considered double posting: Sad

[Public politics]Can't we have fair elections? Double10

by **aVegan** 2011-01-03, 03:53

To me those are two different posts. Double posting means you make the same post twice. I didn't do that.

As for moving on that is to late. The damage has been done. Just look at the slander comments I got here http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/what-is-wrong-in-ebe--1623852/1/20

Anyway this is the end my friend

by **Manong Z** 2011-01-03, 03:55

aVegan wrote:To me those are two different posts. Double posting means you make the same post twice. I didn't do that.

As for moving on that is to late. The damage has been done. Just look at the slander comments I got here http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/what-is-wrong-in-ebe--1623852/1/20

Anyway this is the end my friend

No Vegan. Don't give up. I really don't think people will delve into the discussion you have with there, I just tl;dr'ed... We just all need to move on.

Take some rest and a good drink of a glass of water and rethink your priorities. Let's just calm down. Okay?

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 09:42

A Vegan against those double posting ( not the same message ) we have an edit button Smile

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 11:51

I disagree MaryamQ. Vegan has already had all this s*** trown at him and some kind of trial, and one can not be trialled twice for one and the same crime, though I am sure that there was non anyway.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-01-03, 12:48

and yet again crap with the Cp elections

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-01-03, 13:26

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:and yet again crap with the Cp elections

+1

by **ThomasRED** 2011-01-03, 15:30

MaryamQ wrote:No, I don't want you to go to hell, but I would like the truth about what happened so this matter can be closed once and for all. This transfer of gold happened in the first days of my presidency. Although I never really wished to be CP, I feel it is a blot on my record, and that is upsetting to me. The only evidence I have seen suggests that you were involved. That also makes me feel bad, because I have always thought you were my friend, and do not want to feel that I have been played by you. You say you know who took the gold, and it was not you. If that is the case, it is a question of where your loyalty lies, with your friend, or with your country. If it is with your friend, it makes you a good friend, but I'm not sure it makes you a good candidate for CP. The best way for you to have a fair election campaign is to allow a trial, which you had previously wanted, by a Supreme Court. This will give you the opportunity to make your arguments in front of an impartial panel. If you are cleared, then it need never be brought up again, and your campaign can be based on the issues, not on arguments about who is telling the truth and who is not.

+1

by **Critically** 2011-01-03, 15:39

aVegan wrote:A trial already happend. TR was judged, jury and executioner. To start this all over just doesn't seem fair.

My loyalty lies with what I promised. If the gold wouldn't be returned I wouldn't mind breaking that promise but it was returned. Now it seems strange that twice in a row the same thing happens.

If you think that is fair that is up to you. I think this isn't fair at all and looks more like slander than anything else.

Instead of being thankful of helping to recover this gold I am on trial once again for something I did not do.

Now is that fair? Please answer this question without taking in account that I am a friend or not.

+1

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 15:42

Critically wrote:
aVegan wrote:A trial already happend. TR was judged, jury and executioner. To start this all over just doesn't seem fair.

My loyalty lies with what I promised. If the gold wouldn't be returned I wouldn't mind breaking that promise but it was returned. Now it seems strange that twice in a row the same thing happens.

If you think that is fair that is up to you. I think this isn't fair at all and looks more like slander than anything else.

Instead of being thankful of helping to recover this gold I am on trial once again for something I did not do.

Now is that fair? Please answer this question without taking in account that I am a friend or not.

+1

+1

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 15:52

Jorne Reynders wrote:
Critically wrote:
aVegan wrote:A trial already happend. TR was judged, jury and executioner. To start this all over just doesn't seem fair.

My loyalty lies with what I promised. If the gold wouldn't be returned I wouldn't mind breaking that promise but it was returned. Now it seems strange that twice in a row the same thing happens.

If you think that is fair that is up to you. I think this isn't fair at all and looks more like slander than anything else.

Instead of being thankful of helping to recover this gold I am on trial once again for something I did not do.

Now is that fair? Please answer this question without taking in account that I am a friend or not.

+1
+1

+1

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 16:10

Theneka wrote:
Jorne Reynders wrote:
Critically wrote:
aVegan wrote:A trial already happend. TR was judged, jury and executioner. To start this all over just doesn't seem fair.

My loyalty lies with what I promised. If the gold wouldn't be returned I wouldn't mind breaking that promise but it was returned. Now it seems strange that twice in a row the same thing happens.

If you think that is fair that is up to you. I think this isn't fair at all and looks more like slander than anything else.

Instead of being thankful of helping to recover this gold I am on trial once again for something I did not do.

Now is that fair? Please answer this question without taking in account that I am a friend or not.

+1
+1

+1

+1

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 16:12

Spammer. U've already made your point.

by **Boklevski** 2011-01-03, 16:58

MaryamQ wrote:Is it fair for you to allow there to be a doubt about the integrity of everyone else who add access to eBe Raw (Theneka, me, Boklevski, Velitia) (...)

And I see another doubt raised about our integrity, so here it goes - including some government communication:

aVegan wrote:But those 50 gold are at eBe Raw. In the other hand 40 (or more) of that gold dissapeared a day after it was returned (thanks to me). Why doesn't anyone ask questions about that?

MaryamQ wrote:
From MaryamQ To Boklevski, Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:17 am
Hi, TR, Bok and Helviro,
I just had an in-game PM from A Vegan, saying that he has just looked at eBe Raw and found another 40 gold was missing. I expect there is a good reason for this, as I know there has been discussion about what we were going to do with eBe Raw. However, I told him I would see what I could find out. Assuming that you are more aware of what is going on there than I am, is there anything I can tell him about this?
MQ

Boklevski wrote:
From Boklevski To MaryamQ, Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:41 pm
Well, I haven't accessed the organization lately, but a quick look now shows that 63 GOLD is in the company eBE Grain, and 54 GOLD in the organization. So nothing has disappeared, he just can't see it all.

If needed, I can provide him a screenshot.

_________________
--
Boklevski

So your concern has already been analyzed. Hope this provides enough answer.

--
Boklevski
Minister of Finances

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 16:59

Theneka wrote:Spammer. U've already made your point.

+1

by **Boklevski** 2011-01-03, 17:00

Theneka wrote:Spammer.

Like you care about that... Razz

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 17:05

Boklevski wrote:
Theneka wrote:Spammer.
Like you care about that...

+1

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 17:19

Jorne Reynders wrote:
Boklevski wrote:
Theneka wrote:Spammer.
Like you care about that...
+1

Quit nagging already! Bunch of spammers :p

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 17:24

Theneka wrote:
Jorne Reynders wrote:
Boklevski wrote:
Theneka wrote:Spammer.
Like you care about that...
+1

Quit nagging already! Bunch of spammers :p

-1

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 17:26

That's it, I'm starting a vote to make u ex-PP :p

by **MaryamQ** 2011-01-03, 17:27

Theneka wrote:I disagree MaryamQ. Vegan has already had all this s*** trown at him and some kind of trial, and one can not be trialled twice for one and the same crime, though I am sure that there was non anyway.

Perhaps it doesn't bother you that A Vegan's refusal to tell what he knows about what happened casts doubt on you and your presidency. I am sorry to say it does bother me. I have tried to play this game with honesty and integrity, and have done my best to promote the welfare of eBelgium. One of 5 people, including you and me, put that 50 gold on the money market for 5 NLG. Until it is revealed who did it and why, we must all remain suspect. I don't know who did it. A Vegan has said he did. Those are simple facts. Until there is a legal trial clearing him of any charges, he remains the prime suspect because of his own words. He must either have been the thief or an accomplice. I am sorry if that seems unfair to you. It does not to me.

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 17:28

Theneka wrote:That's it, I'm starting a vote to make u ex-PP :p

why?

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 17:29

I'm just saying that he already had the trial, and I don't care if people tell me I stole something as I have not done it. And if I get it right, all the money has been returned. We've had something like this in the eUNL too, and though I do not think it should be allowed, it's curious that this starts each time one of us is trying for CP.

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 17:32

Theneka wrote:I'm just saying that he already had the trial, and I don't care if people tell me I stole something as I have not done it. And if I get it right, all the money has been returned. We've had something like this in the eUNL too, and though I do not think it should be allowed, it's curious that this starts each time one of us is trying for CP.

+1 past is past

by **Critically** 2011-01-03, 17:35

Jorne Reynders wrote:
Theneka wrote:I'm just saying that he already had the trial, and I don't care if people tell me I stole something as I have not done it. And if I get it right, all the money has been returned. We've had something like this in the eUNL too, and though I do not think it should be allowed, it's curious that this starts each time one of us is trying for CP.
+1 past is past

+1
and +1 on jorne too

by **Manong Z** 2011-01-03, 18:12

Vegan has left... Sad

He said he's not coming back.

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 18:16

Manong Rizal wrote:Vegan has left... He said he's not coming back.

what ?
May he Rest in Peace and let's hope he comes back

"Thinks: I should have gave his companies and money before he left !! + should have made me adminstrator on our forums to replace !!!! hmm i shouldn't tell this to anybody, damn i already did that"

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 19:33

I'm admin :p

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 19:35

shouldn't we talk about this on our forums?

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 19:38

I don't believe it. He would have told me.

by **Manong Z** 2011-01-03, 19:39

I think he's only leaving this forum or eBelgium.

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 19:48

Manong Rizal wrote:I think he's only leaving this forum or eBelgium.

A Vegan wrote:I am not leaving yet. But it won't be long anymore.

by **M.Leviathin** 2011-01-03, 19:51

I think we know who is going to win the elections now. ;p

by **ThomasRED** 2011-01-03, 19:53

Theneka wrote:I'm just saying that he already had the trial, and I don't care if people tell me I stole something as I have not done it. And if I get it right, all the money has been returned. We've had something like this in the eUNL too, and though I do not think it should be allowed, it's curious that this starts each time one of us is trying for CP.

As i said to Critically, i'm not asking for answers because it's A Vegan, i don't hate the guy, not at all.
But he choose to be Candidate for Presidency.

Which mean he could have access to 900 gold and 10k Befs, and to all organizations/companies.
To know what was his role in the eBe Raw issue is a question of national security for eBelgium.

If A Vegan left this month, and come back in 2 month, to run again for Presidence, i will continue, as i said to Critically, to ask him explanations on what happened.

Because becoming President is not something small, and that we all need trust.

by **Theneka** 2011-01-03, 20:03

Then start trusting him on that account, or let him give away the info he talked about with you.

by Jorne Reynders 2011-01-03, 21:09

M.Leviathin wrote:I think we know who is going to win the elections now. ;p

he's getting 2-clicker if a week after he loses elections i think

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-01-03, 22:38

Manong Rizal wrote:Vegan has left... He said he's not coming back.

ragequit

He'll be back

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-01-04, 09:00

Fhaemita Malodorous wrote:
Manong Rizal wrote:Vegan has left... He said he's not coming back.

ragequit
He'll be back

He left, bloody fantastic I was going to run this month and I stepped aside so he could, I have to wait another month.

Thank you a Vegan

I love you so much

/me runs around in circles screaming.

by **Boklevski** 2011-01-04, 15:56

Theneka wrote:We've had something like this in the eUNL too, (...)

With one small exception:

The amount was taken in a moment of not thinking clearly (Battle Hero Medal syndrome Razz

) and donated back by someone else. However, that guy did NOT keep the name of the guilty one secret. The guilty one was charged by government (proposal for punishment), found guilty by Congress, and left eUNL for the time of his punishment. He is now back with good intentions and serving again as loyal servant of eNL.

So everything was clear, justice was served and everything is settled now again.

That's the difference...

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