H.O.P.E. The Party from far-left eBelgium

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-27, 22:11

UK
The far left refers to the highest degree of leftism in left-wing politics. The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification. Far leftists seek to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly the inequitable distribution of wealth and power. The far left seeks a society in which everyone is provided equal economic and social opportunities, and no one has excessive wealth or power over others

FR
L'extrême gauche désigne le plus haut degré de gauchisme dans la politique de gauche. L'extrême gauche cherche l'égalité des résultats et le démantèlement de toutes les formes de stratification sociale. Loin gauchistes cherchent à abolir toutes les formes de hiérarchie, en particulier la répartition inéquitable des richesses et du pouvoir. L'extrême gauche cherche une société dans laquelle chacun est fourni opportunités économiques et sociales égales, et personne n'a la richesse excessive ou pouvoir sur les autres

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-27, 22:20

UK
Is time to Belgium work with us or party represent 50% from country in CP elections.
We want work for Belgium and not against give us the chance to be constructive

FR
Le Moment est venu que la Belgique travail avec nous notre partie représente 50% du pays dans des élections de CP.
Nous voulons travailler pour la Belgique et pas contre. il est temps de nous donner la chance d'être constructif

by **Elynea** 2013-04-27, 22:40

L'anarchie n'a jamais apporté que le désastre d'un pays.

Il faudra bien faire avec, on a pas le choix.

by **MCKitkat** 2013-04-27, 22:48

Every country needs laws and orders, and a power who control it all or everyone would be able to do whatever he wants. I am completely against any form of anarchy and kind of that.

We gave you some chances to be constructive, but right now we have this history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

Just replace the boy with HOPE, the wolf with "we want to be constructive" and you have the story of eBE.

I am willing to work with you guys but confidence has to be restored first.

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-27, 22:51

Un parti de gauche ne veut pas dire Anarchie! Je suis sure que un compromis peut être trouvé.

Dans tous le domaine

A leftist does not mean Anarchy! I'm sure a compromise can be found.

In all the field

by **MCKitkat** 2013-04-27, 22:52

G.W.Junior wrote: Un parti de gauche ne veut pas dire Anarchie! Je suis sure que un compromis peut être trouvé.

Dans tous le domaine

Je suis certain qu'un compromis peut être trouvé. Il faut une table ronde, pour trouver un compromis et apporter du changement dans le domaine du possible.

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-27, 22:56

It is time for this! because we exclude this is not the solution to the country's future.

Il est temps pour ça! car nous exclure c'est pas la solution pour le futur du pays.

by **MCKitkat** 2013-04-27, 23:00

G.W.Junior wrote:It is time for this! because we exclude this is not the solution to the country's future.

Il est temps pour ça! car nous exclure c'est pas la solution pour le futur du pays.

Ca c'est vrai, mais tu dois admettre que quelque fois HOPE ne fait pas de son meilleur pour participer. Si HOPE veut vraiment participer alors je suis sûr que ATO, RB, UU et tous les autres seront prêt à travailler avec vous.

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-27, 23:19

Les Partie se situant dans la gauche socialiste se caractérisent par leur anti capitalisme et par leur discours révolutionnaire, mais rien de mal être pour la liberté et l'egalité des chances.

Comme vous l'avez vu vous même les place au Congress sont partagé chez HOPE, moi même comme PP j'aurai pu s'introduire en tête de liste mais j'ai laissé la place pour que tous aient la meme chance.

Et apres avoir gagné les elections mon nom ne figure pas dans la liste des candidat à CP

Apres des un vote intern nous avons choisi ensemble un candidat

Ça c'est la democratie

by Nihil.sine.deo 2013-04-28, 00:17

Come one... Again ?! I am not so good with French but I think that you say that we can work together, we can make a better Belgium by working with HOPE... We can even run on the fields picking spring flowers while the wind blows our hair... YES WE CAN !!! We can promise that , while people like G.W.Junior and his party have already another plan , another vision.

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-28, 00:51

Nihil.sine.deo wrote:Come one... Again ?! I am not so good with French but I think that you say that we can work together, we can make a better Belgium by working with HOPE... We can even run on the fields picking spring flowers while the wind blows our hair... YES WE CAN !!! We can promise that , while people like G.W.Junior and his party have already another plan , another vision.

This post only shows what a gigantic, ignorant, moronic idiot you are.

raging at someone when you don't even understand what he's writing.

gg

MCKitkat wrote:
We gave you some chances to be constructive

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Comon, even you must know that you're talking BS now. From the moment HOPE and BB arrived in eBE, they where perceived as a treat that the other parties deemed to eradicate. Now they are growing stronger and stronger. Last election their coalition only lost by 1 vote. Lets see what the next CP election will bring.

Don't elevate yourself by thinking "we gave them a chance" as you never did such a thing. From the day they started out, the "traditional" parties tried nothing but to block them and prevent them from gaining any power.

by **Yannis** 2013-04-28, 00:55

For my part I think equality of fates is not an ideology, only equality of chances.

And it's true that HOPE often used false "revolutionary" propaganda based on void to promote their campaign, this populism has to stop if you want to work together.

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Selon moi, l'égalité de destinées est illusion, seule l'idéologie de l'égalité des opportunités est à suivre.

Et c'est vrai que HOPE a souvent usé de fausses propagandes "révolutionnaires" basé sur des arguments vides de sens pour faire la promotion de leur parti, ce populisme doit arrêter si l'on veut pouvoir travailler ensemble sur la même longueur d'ondes.

@Shad: I respect HOPE's point of view, but I am far from agreeing with its methods.

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-28, 01:01

Yannis wrote:For my part I think equality of fates is not an ideology, only equality of chances.

And it's true that HOPE often used false "revolutionary" propaganda based on void to promote their campaign, this populism has to stop if you want to work together.

do they now? Wow they sure are the first and last ever to have tried/to try this in erep. None of the other parties have never done this (ATO with the whole "united netherlands populist campaigns, RB with the whole "we distance ourselves from political games"-BS,...)

Hello Mr Kettle,
why you sure look black today

Sincerely
Mr Pot

by Nihil.sine.deo 2013-04-28, 01:21

Well I did not understand every word - that is what I was saying. I did get that , now, suddenly, HOPE is talking about working together . Well I am tired about this $h1t. Tired of their lies. And I`m tired of you Shadow , playing this character of yours. Admit , that you are a really nice guy, hiding under a mask that does not suite you. Stop trying to look like a prick, you may get to stay that way forever.

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 02:53

at first : Hope said we are democratic party ?

- No : you gave citizenship for this one, or a friend before elections

why ? to incorpore your party, to have more members.

why do you want more members ? To have a control in the next elections.

Hope made the advertising for BABYBOOM. Why ?

To find a party in your side to have faster this control in elections of president.

If you work for ebelgium then we must find solution to stop your propaganda of CS approved without approval. All are making effort for that.
We are not a big country, you know that and it's not in our favor, we must take care about our new citizens.

party of left ? where ? We are all working for ebelgium. We are not against who want the same goal. BUT ACTIONS are better like a bad propaganda.

I'm not in the left, in the middle or other place, i'm for the voice of the population. All is relative in this game.

Don't broke the rules (the work of a long time) and you can prove you are not bad and anarchist for this country.

You must respect every citizen and don't play with their ideas.
No dictator ! Citizens deserve to have the honesty, verity and not false ideas from a party who just want the first place in this country to make his law like it wants.

by **Viridi** 2013-04-28, 06:57

clap clap clap

tl;dr

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-28, 10:32

Let's work in this case CS if you want @Elynea we need 4 members 2 HOPE and 2 UU and we can make a commission for the request CS

When i look in the accorded CS RB and CO is much active than any party

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-28, 10:35

an can you post here the link for i see the debate area about CS request ?

by Nihil.sine.deo 2013-04-28, 10:45

I just love the way you lie ... That`s a good song

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-28, 10:57

Nihil.sine.deo wrote:Well I did not understand every word - that is what I was saying. I did get that , now, suddenly, HOPE is talking about working together . Well I am tired about this $h1t. Tired of their lies.

Newsflash: they got 40% of the votes last congresselection and 50% of the votes last CP election. If you get "tired" of working with them, fine. But better get used to being tired of seeing how everything gets stuck in eBE because of your refusal to cooperate.

IRL I get tired of political whiners like Groen (goddamm filthy hippies), CD&V (I will honestly throw a party when they don't reach the vote quota this election), Open VLD and SPA (f***, I hope some nutter will blow up their HQ), Lijst Dedecker (I'm a peaceful man, but you cannot believe how much money I would give to punch that retard in the face),... That doesn't mean the few remaining parties shouldn't work with them. Because if that happens we're without government for 400 days.

Elynea wrote:at first : Hope said we are democratic party ?

- No : you gave citizenship for this one, or a friend before elections

why ? to incorpore your party, to have more members.

why do you want more members ? To have a control in the next elections.

Hope made the advertising for BABYBOOM. Why ?

To find a party in your side to have faster this control in elections of president.

Would someone get me some Nivea Men Care facial cream? I think I just facepalmed my face so hard it's going to leave permanent markings

Elynea: what you described here above is done by pretty much every party. Every party invites friends to eBE with the goal to get extra votes. Every party makes an alliance and advertises that alliance. RB and ATO do the exact same.

If this seriously is your problem with HOPE and BB, then you're nothing but a hypocrite.

Elynea wrote:
If you work for ebelgium then we must find solution to stop your propaganda of CS approved without approval. All are making effort for that.
We are not a big country, you know that and it's not in our favor, we must take care about our new citizens.

party of left ? where ? We are all working for ebelgium. We are not against who want the same goal. BUT ACTIONS are better like a bad propaganda.

You people are hypocrites. When there are no articles in the media you complain about the fact that the media page is dead. When Hope and BB do write articles you complain that it's propaganda. Sorry that we actually put effort in recruiting new players.

Elynea wrote:
You must respect every citizen and don't play with their ideas.
No dictator ! Citizens deserve to have the honesty, verity and not false ideas from a party who just want the first place in this country to make his law like it wants.

We do respect every citizen, Elynea. Unlike people in ATO and RB we haven't made any attempts at PTO'ing their party, we haven't tried to block them congress, we haven't tried to smear them.

by Nihil.sine.deo 2013-04-28, 11:07

Nihil.sine.deo wrote:Well I did not understand every word - that is what I was saying. I did get that , now, suddenly, HOPE is talking about working together . Well I am tired about this $h1t. Tired of their lies.

Newsflash: they got 40% of the votes last congresselection and 50% of the votes last CP election. If you get "tired" of working with them, fine. But better get used to being tired of seeing how everything gets stuck in eBE because of your refusal to cooperate.

I am not tired of working with them , as they never work with us in the first place. It`s that simple Shadow. They follow their plans , they have another vision and now they come and say that they can work with us... What , I am stupid now ? They will just do what they want no matter what we are doing : decide to work together or not. They will never like the middle way to handle things.

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-28, 11:12

Nihil.sine.deo wrote:
Nihil.sine.deo wrote:Well I did not understand every word - that is what I was saying. I did get that , now, suddenly, HOPE is talking about working together . Well I am tired about this $h1t. Tired of their lies.

Newsflash: they got 40% of the votes last congresselection and 50% of the votes last CP election. If you get "tired" of working with them, fine. But better get used to being tired of seeing how everything gets stuck in eBE because of your refusal to cooperate.
I am not tired of working with them , as they never work with us in the first place. It`s that simple Shadow. They follow their plans , they have another vision and now they come and say that they can work with us... What , I am stupid now ? They will just do what they want no matter what we are doing : decide to work together or not. They will never like the middle way to handle things.

you never really give them a chance, do you?

I'm HOPE, I contribute on the forum. Swaqq is BB, he's been a great minister and wrote lots of tutorials for new players,...

Oh and as far as immigration policy goes. We just don't agree with it and refuse to accept it. It was stated several times. Unless you are willing to find a compromise, we're not willing either. When I'm congressman, I don't follow the immigration protocols either because I think they are joke, a farce and nothing less than a authoritarian law.

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 11:27

@shadow : you know i'm not working with any party. I'm in Union-Unie because that's the party to be member of congress.

I want to see the interest of the population. What's your goal for ebelgian's ?

I saw several articles in the press before elections to make a bad propaganda to abuse the population. I was dreaming? No

How many articles ?

Now, you can maybe try to denied what i'm talking about here, but you know i'm honest... i don't talk about all ebelgian's here.

It's my view, Respect it. You never see one insult from me anywhere.

you have in the game several players who are happy to put troubles... and it's the game.

I'm free in this game like you Shadow. You are not my master not now, and never.

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-28, 11:36

lol, never said I'm your master. Don't even want tho.

When you say "what's the goal for all eBelgians?" My answer is freedom to play the game like they want and how they want. That includes the freedom to post up whatever articles they want and invite whomever friends they want to invite. And until we get rid of these dictatorship laws, HOPE will continue fighting.

Oh and you are not free. You think you are free, but in reality you are bound in this game by moral bias, group behaviour, populism and some silly walls of text that some people on this board refer to as "the laws of eBE". Being free in this game means saying what you want to say, including calling people a moronic retard when they are acting like one, and doing what you want within the IG possibilities of this game. And you, my dear, only keep up the false utopic appearance that you are free.

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 11:50

Are we free in this game ?

We have admin's rules : can we write any article with pictures XXX, insults ?

NO

Are we free to accept all request of immigrations ?

We are not a lot of citizen's, if we accept 10 persons from a same country, you had the example of frenchs (i don't include all frenchs, caution).

NO

Are we free to make all we want everywhere ?

In the real life, like in the game, we have autorities.
You know my view of immigration for example, but we need to be wise too.

Or you will see soon ebelgium in the hands of a president in a bad side who will press NE to ePoland for example.

I can't write this text in english.

Notre liberté s'arrête où commence celle des autres.

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-28, 12:13

Elynea where's my link with recent approval from NOVA.DAVID from a Res. Belgica member yesterday?

I want the link with the debate and the votes by IO or by congress

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 12:15

G.W.Junior wrote:Elynea where's my link with recent approval from NOVA.DAVID from a Res. Belgica member yesterday?

I want the link with the debate and the votes by IO or by congress

There are debates, approval : no problem.

It's not difficult to talk about a cS here before. You have one example of a good choice.

He is in hope, he is free to go in the party of his choice.

ps : alors toujours pas en train de danser la samba... tu nous aimes trop que tu reviens Laughing

by **Mabellene** 2013-04-28, 12:17

"Oh and as far as immigration policy goes. We just don't agree with it and refuse to accept it. It was stated several times. Unless you are willing to find a compromise, we're not willing either. When I'm congressman, I don't follow the immigration protocols either because I think they are joke, a farce and nothing less than a authoritarian law."

"Oh and you are not free. You think you are free, but in reality you are bound in this game by moral bias, group behaviour, populism and some silly walls of text that some people on this board refer to as "the laws of eBE". Being free in this game means saying what you want to say, including calling people a moronic retard when they are acting like one, and doing what you want within the IG possibilities of this game. And you, my dear, only keep up the false utopic appearance that you are free."

It looks like you are reading my thoughts. You are great and you are ready to be our next CP. wave

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 12:21

Mabellene

We are not 1000 players, we are 150 actives players Razz

Do you see the difference of another country?

It's the reality !

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-28, 12:26

100% with Shadowukcs and Mabellene wave

P.S Elynea Oui je reviens vite! d'ailleurs content de voir Shadowukcs in Brazil Forum comme Ambassadeur d eBE

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 12:35

G.W.Junior wrote:100% with Shadowukcs and Mabellene

P.S Elynea Oui je reviens vite! d'ailleurs content de voir Shadowukcs in Brazil Forum comme Ambassadeur d eBE

on est pas sorti de l'auberge. bisous toi le vilain.

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-28, 12:46

Vilain moi? Rolling Eyes

JK je compte sur toi pour accepté ma SC quand je reviens tongue

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-28, 12:51

Elynea wrote:

Are we free to accept all request of immigrations ?

We are not a lot of citizen's, if we accept 10 persons from a same country, you had the example of frenchs (i don't include all frenchs, caution).

NO

Actually, we are free. You chose to not be free. You chose to fall on your knees for some guy who calls himself a IO, a position that isn't even democratically chosen, and say "oh please, my eternal dictator, tell me what I should and should not do" [Kiss feet]

I on the other hand pull my gigantic schlong and say "suck it" and invite the people whom I want to invite.

And did the 10 french guys into eBelgium cause any troubles? no they didn't. In fact, we haven't had any troubles with immigrants since years really.

Elynea wrote:
Are we free to make all we want everywhere ?

In the real life, like in the game, we have autorities.

"When tyranny becomes law, revolution is order"

Elynea wrote:You know my view of immigration for example, but we need to be wise too.

Or you will see soon ebelgium in the hands of a president in a bad side who will press NE to ePoland for example.

Did you see how much fun we had fighting France? Seriously, I don't mind NE'ing Poland for the lulz. We'd have a blast and a great time.

Elynea wrote:
Notre liberté s'arrête où commence celle des autres.

exactly and by accepting others, you are in no way limiting the freedom of others.

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 12:51

G.W.Junior wrote:Vilain moi?

JK je compte sur toi pour accepté ma SC quand je reviens

I had already one first offence Laughing

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-28, 13:42

Thank you Shadowukcs

"When tyranny becomes law, revolution is order"

by **Yannis** 2013-04-28, 14:28

shadowukcs wrote:
Yannis wrote:For my part I think equality of fates is not an ideology, only equality of chances.

And it's true that HOPE often used false "revolutionary" propaganda based on void to promote their campaign, this populism has to stop if you want to work together.

do they now? Wow they sure are the first and last ever to have tried/to try this in erep. None of the other parties have never done this (ATO with the whole "united netherlands populist campaigns, RB with the whole "we distance ourselves from political games"-BS,...)

Hello Mr Kettle,
why you sure look black today

Sincerely
Mr Pot

What's your point? We are talking about the present situation, ATO is trying to build a bridge between HOPE and the rest but the only one cooperating is Zangetsu and the other Hopers put him aside because of that.

I won't meddle about actions done even before I started the game with a guy playing for almost 4 years, but that doesn't justify anything. Your "we do this because others did the same a long time ago"-stubborn philosophy won't lead you anywhere besides being called childish.

(Oh and btw every party is s*** in this country, but anything is better than those populistic NVA/VB/FDF-haters geek

)

by **Yannis** 2013-04-28, 15:19

shadowukcs wrote:Actually, we are free. You chose to not be free. You chose to fall on your knees for some guy who calls himself a IO, a position that isn't even democratically chosen, and say "oh please, my eternal dictator, tell me what I should and should not do" [Kiss feet]

I on the other hand pull my gigantic schlong and say "suck it" and invite the people whom I want to invite.

shadowukcs wrote:When you say "what's the goal for all eBelgians?" My answer is freedom to play the game like they want and how they want. That includes the freedom to post up whatever articles they want and invite whomever friends they want to invite. And until we get rid of these dictatorship laws, HOPE will continue fighting.

Oh and you are not free. You think you are free, but in reality you are bound in this game by moral bias, group behaviour, populism and some silly walls of text that some people on this board refer to as "the laws of eBE". Being free in this game means saying what you want to say, including calling people a moronic retard when they are acting like one, and doing what you want within the IG possibilities of this game. And you, my dear, only keep up the false utopic appearance that you are free.

Sorry to say so, but to me this proves that you either don't know what a community is, or you don't care and you just want to be a selfish prick.

You will have to accept that some people actually want to care for each other, that those bounds the community bases itself upon make the difference between the country being a jungle where nobody can trust anyone and a place where people can group up the way they want and have fun with each other. We don't call people moronic bastards because we know it can hurt them, even if it doesn't affect us ourselves, we accept that people are different.

You will never be able to live in symbiosis in a community if you dare thinking that your opinion is the truth and people having a different one are morons. (I don't even know how you can justify that reasoning, are you really thinking you are born like an übermensch?) Even if you adopt this just to "have fun with it" it remains silly and egoistical because you'd be earning your fun at others' depends.

You want to be CP? Show me you can be constructive or you won't have any chance to get my vote and many other's. Being CP implies being in charge of the whole country, including people that are actually different from your mates and their opinions, and you are far from demonstrating that you are able to open up to differences.

by **lin0leum** 2013-04-28, 16:20

shadow already have written it very well. me can't agree more. especialy on these:

"Every party invites friends to eBE with the goal to get extra votes. Every party makes an alliance and advertises that alliance." every party is trying to take over the political power of congress every month in the elections. how many times there were approved "a well known and long time proven former belgian citizens" without any debates? they were given cs by exactly the same people, who now cry for strict hardline following the paranoid immigration procedures. balls itch so bad from such gargantuan double standards.
[possible solution: general voting of citizenry on every cs request.]

the certain highly organized pto by group of players from highly populated country following interests of such country's gvt would completely own the belgium, and we could do very little against it. because of the numbers. still, it is a legal pto move (until the multies or credit cards r used). the same way we could do very little against direct military action. because of the numbers.
[possible solution: NE poland and get ourselves one nice anschluss (belgium is polish gvt's b*tch already, anyway). we would only gain production bonuses and lose the panic fear of someone taking over our country, while some roleplay focused citizens of former belgium could still keep their out-of-game phorum court simulator and super-virtual immigration quisition running on the background decorated with belgian coats of arms, traditional rules, punishments and stuff.]

"You chose to not be free. You chose to fall on your knees for some guy who calls himself a IO, a position that isn't even democratically chosen" [mega-true]
when tyranny becomes law, revolution is order. the turtle moves!

by **Elynea** 2013-04-28, 16:27

Shadow forgot how many time eNl helped us to remove a pto in the past.

Well the debate can be eternal. Every person has his role in this game.

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-28, 21:21

Yannis wrote:
What's your point? We are talking about the present situation, ATO is trying to build a bridge between HOPE and the rest but the only one cooperating is Zangetsu and the other Hopers put him aside because of that.

I won't meddle about actions done even before I started the game with a guy playing for almost 4 years, but that doesn't justify anything. Your "we do this because others did the same a long time ago"-stubborn philosophy won't lead you anywhere besides being called childish.

(Oh and btw every party is s*** in this country, but anything is better than those populistic NVA/VB/FDF-haters )

ATO is not trying to build a bridge between HOPE and the rest. Just look at Tony Cliffords recent article and the comments on it.

They put in a tiny bit of effort, not enough to actually achieve anything, but enough so they can clap their hands say "ah well, we tried".

by **Olv007** 2013-04-29, 08:52

Shad, since when are you taking this game so seriously? Since when do you care about what others are saying or thinking? I don't recognize you anymore Shocked

It's like someone brainwashed you.

by **Konrad Neumann** 2013-04-29, 12:25

G.W.Junior wrote:UK
The far left refers to the highest degree of leftism in left-wing politics. The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification. Far leftists seek to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly the inequitable distribution of wealth and power. The far left seeks a society in which everyone is provided equal economic and social opportunities, and no one has excessive wealth or power over others

FR
L'extrême gauche désigne le plus haut degré de gauchisme dans la politique de gauche. L'extrême gauche cherche l'égalité des résultats et le démantèlement de toutes les formes de stratification sociale. Loin gauchistes cherchent à abolir toutes les formes de hiérarchie, en particulier la répartition inéquitable des richesses et du pouvoir. L'extrême gauche cherche une société dans laquelle chacun est fourni opportunités économiques et sociales égales, et personne n'a la richesse excessive ou pouvoir sur les autres

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. I cannot say for the French part, but the English description is rather weak. You do not tell us what HOPE is. Far left? Which tradition? To say the far left is not anarchy is funny. For the 3 main branches of the far left is Anarchism, Communism, and Radical Socialism. 2 of the 3 supports an anarchistic goal. Anarchism is a self given but Communism too have a dissolving of the state when the "classless" society is achieved. The only one that does not achieve anarchism is radical socialism in the case of Mao, Stalin, Lenin etc. Well I am not sure that is an ideal vision for eBE for I think most of us likes democracy and not authoritarian regimes.

All I see from your post are more rhetoric. Only the radical left supports equality and fairness? Why is it not fair for people who use RL cash or are really eOld and made good investments to have more capital? Why is hope against supporting citizen packs and the BTA etc in the past but only their MU? Do you still do not understand the economic system of eBE and the game? For your rhetoric suggest you do not.

As to the illegal immigrants. I find it funny that you continue to deny it. I did not look recently and I am sure someone will link them. We even have a case for it and got Vincent Pain banned for a good while http://www.erepbelgium.com/t8135-requesting-pto-illegal-immigration-case-against-avegan-lin0lium-and-vincent-pain You have Vincent and Lin0 going to other countries like Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus to get people here to fight against the establishment. Lin0 even confessed that he wants to PTO eBE for it is the only way to evoke change in eBE. The SC did rule and believe that there are a lot of evidence that they are a risk and is trying to PTO eBE but let the congress/ CP to act. They did with banning Vincent Pain.

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-29, 15:50

Désolé mais je ne peut te répondre a cause de ta nouvelle photo, pour pas rentrée dans les insultes homo je m’abstiens

by **Yannis** 2013-04-29, 15:51

G.W.Junior wrote:Désolé mais je ne peut te répondre a cause de ta nouvelle photo, pour pas rentrée dans les insultes homo je m’abstiens

c'est bas et ca n'a rien à voir avec le débat actuel

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-29, 15:53

Qu'l mets un t-short alors Razz

by **tommot** 2013-04-29, 15:59

Qu'l mets un t-short alors

google couldn't translate. What where you saying?

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-29, 16:32

I ask Konrad put a t-shirt !

anyway you can't translate my bad inglish also bounce

by **MCKitkat** 2013-04-29, 16:43

G.W.Junior wrote:Désolé mais je ne peut te répondre a cause de ta nouvelle photo, pour pas rentrée dans les insultes homo je m’abstiens

Please behave, I don't want to see any offensive comments about homosexuals.
Sincerely MCKitkat

by **G.W.Junior** 2013-04-29, 16:57

MCkitkat Have no insults no where!!!

We want talk with others party konrad here for make troubles and when he tired he go back to his country.

If you see one comment positive from kon rad tell me !

by **shadowukcs** 2013-04-29, 17:02

Olv007 wrote:Shad, since when are you taking this game so seriously? Since when do you care about what others are saying or thinking? I don't recognize you anymore It's like someone brainwashed you.

Can't you see I'm sticking my neck out for the oppressed here?

Besides, HOPE and BB in power seems like a lulztastic combo that would provide lots of laughter to BE and lots of butthurt to Konrad, Nohjis and co

That and I do actually believe they are treated like sh*t and I respect people who keep on going, despite what others throw at them.

I can relate to their stubbornness.

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