Renting a region

by **iliancer** 2011-08-01, 16:40

We all know that a country's economy depends on the bonus its gets from its regions. Belgium is a small country and thus few regions and a low bonus.
If we want a higher bonus to boost our economy we need to get more regions. Since we can't conquer one, I suppose we look into the possibility of renting one.

We need a stable country that can loan its original regions. That's why I suggest eUk as a partner(of course after the ne-war).
We could make an offer for either East of England (oil) or South East of England (cow).

The oil region would in my opinion mostly benefit weapon factory owners. Since all their workers would make 2 more weapons and thus their profit will also rise 20%.
Although its my believe that this would also rise the wages, so every Belgian worker will benefit from it.

The cow region however would benefit every Belgian to the lowest level. Everyone has a food factory and everyone would produce more food for fighting.
Of course the food factory owners can make more profit and increase wages like in the oil scenario.

Is it worth the cost? Much depends on the price eUk would ask.
But because they have both bonuses twice, the price may not be so high as we think.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-08-01, 16:55

iliancer wrote:
Is it worth the cost? Much depends on the price eUk would ask.
But because they have both bonuses twice, the price may not be so high as we think.

As far as I know prices these day for renting are 30 a 40 gold a month per region.
Extra region would also mean 10 extra congressmen, but I doubt we would get much extra income form congressmen donations seeing we already hardly have enough active people to fill the seats.

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-08-01, 19:23

Another option would be asking Poland for Rhineland-Palatinate (NRW is needed for their 'oil corridor').

I think we need to have the mandatory congress medal gold donation first in order to pay for this... but revenue would be worth it: 20% bonus extra means more sales, thus more profit for company managers and/or higher wages for workers - also: somewhat higher tax income. It's difficult to put this in an exact simulation, but this would certainly be worth a monthly rent, especially if we can pay for it with CM gold.

by **M.Leviathin** 2011-08-01, 19:37

Asking Poland for a German region?

Yeah.

I see nothing that can go wrong with that.

by Monsieur Guillotine 2011-08-01, 19:40

M.Leviathin wrote:Asking Poland for a German region?

Yeah.

I see nothing that can go wrong with that.

+1

by **iliancer** 2011-08-01, 19:43

M.Leviathin wrote:Asking Poland for a German region?

Yeah.

I see nothing that can go wrong with that.

That's why I proposed eUk as a partner. A occupied German or Dutch region would be an easy target for a RW.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-08-01, 19:44

Monsieur Guillotine wrote:
M.Leviathin wrote:Asking Poland for a German region?

Yeah.

I see nothing that can go wrong with that.

+1

+2
Wouldn't be a wise move

by **Jofroi** 2011-08-01, 22:03

Not even talking of the fact that we'd have to beat Polish MPP during 7 days^^.

by **NLSP** 2011-08-01, 22:48

well we can always let Germany liberate it for us and then invade it with the aid of our polish friends Smile

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-08-01, 22:51

NLSP wrote:well we can always let Germany liberate it for us and then invade it with the aid of our polish friends

Thing is:
Would it be smart making a enemy that border us?
Would it be smart to side with Poland against Terra giving up our neutrality?

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-08-02, 01:48

Thing is: does the UK want to talk about it or not?

Revenue would increase by 20 %, true, but: ... Extra production of oil would, at stable prices (FRM 0.4) and wages (105 BEF), increase the rubber plantation's profits from 15 to 35 BEF per work cycle,an increase with 133%.

by **iliancer** 2011-08-03, 13:57

Ward De Bever wrote:Thing is: does the UK want to talk about it or not?

Maybe someone should ask them?

by Mikhail Alexander 2011-08-03, 15:11

We don't really need another region, we are happy as we are. If a merger can be done with NL great but it won't. The UK is too proud of their country so they won't rent. NL is taken over by Poland, same for France and Germany so we're out of options.

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-08-03, 15:17

Mikhail Alexander wrote:We don't really need another region, we are happy as we are. If a merger can be done with NL great but it won't. The UK is too proud of their country so they won't rent. NL is taken over by Poland, same for France and Germany so we're out of options.

The eUK rented a region to serbia a couple of months ago.
So you are incorrect if you say that eUK is too proud of their country to rent out a region

by **M.Leviathin** 2011-08-03, 17:49

You are also incorrect to say that the eUK is proud of their country.

by **iliancer** 2011-08-20, 10:52

Since the topic came back up in the merge thread. Maybe we should restart the discussion here? The question remains, are the English willing to rent and at what price?

by **Jofroi** 2011-08-20, 11:23

There will be a government meeting about it soon Wink

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But the problem is that we would need a war with UK, win a battle, then close the war. Don't think that's the best time to do it as they just asked us to stop the TW to avoid damage drain.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-08-20, 11:36

After the elections that would be perfect

or what if you make a deal with Germany and poland?

You pay for example 1/2 of the rent to Germany and 1/2nd to the Occupying country.

In this case all you need to do is RW Saarland from Germany, NE Germany, capture the region and since there would be no more border, the war would be closed automatically

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-08-20, 14:19

shadowukcs wrote:After the elections that would be perfect

or what if you make a deal with Germany and poland?

You pay for example 1/2 of the rent to Germany and 1/2nd to the Occupying country.

In this case all you need to do is RW Saarland from Germany, NE Germany, capture the region and since there would be no more border, the war would be closed automatically

Speaking sense about the subject. Saarland however has no border with us, we could do it with Rhineland-Palatinate. Even if negotiations, especially with Poland (they will talk route vectors to rubber and oil), promise to be difficult, it would be nice to try Smile

by **shadowukcs** 2011-08-20, 15:00

yea, I meant Rhineland. not Saarland.

by **Critically** 2011-08-21, 19:56

Dear people,

after a minister meeting, we've decided that region renting is a good option to boost our economy.

We've choosen for Rhineland-Palatinate. That would provide us 1 extra region bonus for weapons. (so from 20% ==> 40%)

I ordered my MoFA to start talks with both Poland and Germany about how to arrange this and ofc the price Wink

I will keep you up to date Smile

-Critically
President of eBelgium

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-08-21, 20:06

Good news mr president.
Let's hope the talks with Poland an Germany will go well and we don't have to pay too much.

by **xironn** 2011-08-21, 20:12

"Sarcasm mode on"
They should just give it to us. As a reward for not running them over! "sarcasm mode off"

I think it's a good idea. But the price has to be within a reasonable amount. We don't wanna lead this country to its downfall.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-08-21, 21:20

At last the government does what I've been suggesting for nearly half a year now.

Now the question remains how much will eventually be actions and how much just words.

by **Olv007** 2011-08-21, 21:30

Great work from our president! Very Happy

And of course an economical boost for our country and I hope we will have some coordinated military action.

by **ThomasRED** 2011-08-22, 00:34

shadowukcs wrote:At last the government does what I've been suggesting for nearly half a year now.
Now the question remains how much will eventually be actions and how much just words.

I had a deal during my term for NRW on day 1,119 (link) ... There is indeed nothing new, but what also remain is the risks that some doesn't want to take in regard of the possible benefits of it. When some say that a merge is impossible because the region will be rw'ed even if we have an agreement with our partner the problematic is still true for a rent. I think it's something which will give a new experience to our country and our citizens and which will be positive for us at the end, whatever the real result is.

by **Cotarius** 2011-08-24, 21:39

I think it is a good idea and compliments that it is already in progress

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-09-05, 02:20

Our Congress accepted the proposed treaty for 40 gold with the German and Polish CP, but Polish Congress declined it. Belgium's next government will, after or before our Congress' agreement, be in a position to start talks with the UK for East of England (oil would be better for our economy since FRM/WRM bonuses would be balanced evenly 40/40 instead of 60/20 in the case of SoE's cow).

by **shadowukcs** 2011-09-05, 07:30

no a good region would be better. Our food production is much much higher than our weapons/FRM production. a boost there would not only increase taxes more, it would also help the new players as they would now be able to produce more food and fight more

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-09-05, 12:22

shadowukcs wrote:no a good region would be better. Our food production is much much higher than our weapons/FRM production. a boost there would not only increase taxes more, it would also help the new players as they would now be able to produce more food and fight more

Hate to say this Smile

but Shadow provides a good argument. Choosing the specialisation option is indeed to be considered.

by **Critically** 2011-09-05, 18:03

Ward De Bever wrote:
shadowukcs wrote:no a good region would be better. Our food production is much much higher than our weapons/FRM production. a boost there would not only increase taxes more, it would also help the new players as they would now be able to produce more food and fight more
Hate to say this but Shadow provides a good argument. Choosing the specialisation option is indeed to be considered.

THIS IS A HISTORICAL EVENT IN BELGIAN HISTORY !

by **Cotarius** 2011-09-05, 20:54

Good point Shadowucks

by **Fhaemita Malodorous** 2011-09-05, 22:57

wow Ward and Shadow agree on something

by **xironn** 2011-09-06, 11:34

Does this mean Ward is a shadowist now?

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-09-06, 11:39

Lol, I don't agree with Shadow over the choice of EoE. I only say he has a point in defending the choice of SEoE over EoE. It's for Congress to choose if we want specialisation or balance of bonuses, and if renting an UK region is realistic in the military sense.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-09-06, 11:42

xironn wrote:Does this mean Ward is a shadowist now?

it sure seems so.

I'd watch out now ward, splashdog might start picking on you now

by **xironn** 2011-09-06, 11:46

i have a question about the game mechanics when it comes to this. To me it seems very important to keep a bufferzone between us and any possible invader. Ireland for instance. As england is surrounded by water, can it be invaded by ireland from any side?

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-09-06, 11:49

xironn wrote:i have a question about the game mechanics when it comes to this. To me it seems very important to keep a bufferzone between us and any possible invader. Ireland for instance. As england is surrounded by water, can it be invaded by ireland from any side?

Just check the neighbouring regions for each region, for instance http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Wales
Military attacks can be launched over neighbouring regions.

And for shad: call me whatever, I don't care as long as you don't hurt the children.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-09-06, 12:12

xironn wrote:i have a question about the game mechanics when it comes to this. To me it seems very important to keep a bufferzone between us and any possible invader. Ireland for instance. As england is surrounded by water, can it be invaded by ireland from any side?

no, you can see the regions it has access to if you go to the region page: http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/South-East-of-England

by **Ward De Bever** 2011-09-06, 12:13

shadowukcs wrote:
xironn wrote:i have a question about the game mechanics when it comes to this. To me it seems very important to keep a bufferzone between us and any possible invader. Ireland for instance. As england is surrounded by water, can it be invaded by ireland from any side?

no, you can see the regions it has access to if you go to the region page: http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/South-East-of-England

So, that's a yes. Or are we discussing the definition of 'England'?

by ChewChewShoe 2011-09-06, 12:21

You make me laugh.

by **xironn** 2011-09-06, 12:23

south east looks good i would say then

by ChewChewShoe 2011-09-06, 12:26

I hope you do realize that a region renting with the UK would spark up the hostilities between Ireland and Belgium again, not to mention EDEN/TERRA and Belgium. Neutral

by ChewChewShoe 2011-09-06, 12:30

And besides, South East of England would not fill nearly as much of a purpose as East of England would, as we already have two regions providing us with food bonuses, but only one with weapon.

by **Bert_en_Ernie** 2011-09-06, 12:31

Jep but everybody is producing food and a few are producing weapons, so governement money can be better spent on programs that help all eBe citizens.

by ChewChewShoe 2011-09-06, 12:33

Yes, but there's already a huge overflow of food on all markets all around the world, lol.

by **Bert_en_Ernie** 2011-09-06, 12:39

Most people will use this for extra fights. Not everyone has enough food and the money to buy it.

by **shadowukcs** 2011-09-06, 12:42

And food generates more taxes for the state.

by ChewChewShoe 2011-09-06, 12:44

Jes-... Fuc-... Oh my god, I'll just have to type down a f*cking book in a document and paste it here, sec. >_>

by **iliancer** 2011-09-21, 08:41

With the latest Eden/Terra campaign, the poles are driven back for the moment. As I realize it will probably be not long until they return. It might be wise to take advantage of the situation and try to rent southern Netherlands.

Like stated above renting a food region would benefit every single eBelgian, even those who just started today. However we should think about some things before we try to make a deal:

- Because region renting is a high risk investment. With al the rogue rw's etc. We should propose weekly in stead of monthly payments. This to avoid losing to much money when someone rw's it back in the first week.

- I don't know if the Dutch cm donate there gold? But if so, it will cost more then 50 gold. Maybe we should offer them the region back every month? This way we have a training war every month. And they can cash in 3 times (cm gold, region rent and rw profit).

-We should get a consensus with the poles that if they want to conquer the region back. They just rw us and give us a heads up. After this we leave the fight to the Dutch and the Poles.

*Edit I didn't know it was already being under discusion here https://ebelgium.forumotion.net/t4342-ne-romania-poland

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